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Inside the Wuhan lab weeks before Covid

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Re: Inside the Wuhan lab weeks before Covid

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That's the very point I'm trying to make about this dubious article and all the people posting conspiracy theories here. How can we say they aren't trying to cause xenophobic feelings?

If you can't say either way, don't say it at all.

Yes exactly ... If you can't prove the lab leak stop writing articles about it, people.

Re: Inside the Wuhan lab weeks before Covid

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> The investigators believe the Chinese military had taken an interest in developing a vaccine for the viruses so they could be used as potential bioweapons. If a country could inoculate its population against its own secret virus, it might have a weapon to shift the balance of world power.

This part doesn't make sense to me. Coronavirus is known to mutate constantly and rapidly. Having a vaccine against a strand might provide a temporary advantage, but that advantage would subside quickly. Coronaviruses would make poor bioweapons considering how impossible it would be to control them.

If an army wants to develop a virus-based weapon wouldn't there be better viruses to base it from than COVIDs?

Re: Inside the Wuhan lab weeks before Covid

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Sure, but the article is implying there something new that actually would have some kind of bearing or meaning.

Russians started to clean up evidence, which points to BSL4 lab "Vector". IMHO, this article is a part of their disinformation campaign. The name of their vaccine "Sputnik V" (Follower 5) suggests that there was "Something","Sputnik I", "Sputnik II", "Sputnik III", "Sputnik IV" before "Sputnik V". It's impossible for Russians to produce 5 vaccines in row in such short span of time, just few months, which took billion…

It was named after the satellite Sputnik 1 and the V is not a roman five but stands for victory, multiple sources consistently claim? Sounds reasonable that this was just PR propaganda to connect to prior great successes in Russia..

(Even without that knowledge I'd find this theory a bit far fetched, there could be many other good reasons for that naming).

Re: Inside the Wuhan lab weeks before Covid

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Leaving aside the question of where and how the virus emerged, it's interesting to note that the lab was nigh useless during the pandemic, despite its main specialty was investigating Coronaviruses! It looks like a lot of dangerous research went on, and even if nothing bad happened because of that research, nothing was gained. A lot of risk for nothing.

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HN should limit the rate of comments per user per post. This user is seriously worked up to mute this discussion and spams in every comment thread. Edit: this user wrote 26 out of 88 comments here.

Re: Inside the Wuhan lab weeks before Covid

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Protect them from what? Being blamed? What does that do except stoke fear? There are actual things to talk about like their aggressive naval horseshit why do we have to make them nefarious mind controllers or secret world saboteurs or whatever this lab leak hypothesis is supposed to prove.

Knowing how the virus leaked allows us to figure out how to try and prevent it happening again. When you cover it up, prevent investigations, destroy data, and try to blame the rest of the world. That does not help understand how we can prevent it happening again. If China was open and honest from day 1, countries would have actually tried to help. But instead all the CCP did was hide it and blame everyone else. It’s…

I don't side with them, I side with reason.

1. Lab leak hypothesis being proven is not a requirement for any kind of prevention

2. If everyone was honest all the time life would be roses

3. These lab leak articles don't make anyone safer they just cause conspiratorial thinking.

I don't trust the China for shit, but I'm sick of Americans suckered in by lazy bullshit thinking. I can't think of anything positive to say about China, but you can't say this because it is all a dead end useless thing that serves no purpose.

How about putting back in our observers like Trump kicked out, arguably hobbling our view into what was going on. We still have not done this. Instead we're here dicking off about shit that doesn't matter. Way to be people.

Re: Inside the Wuhan lab weeks before Covid

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If you can't say either way, don't say it at all.

Yes exactly ... If you can't prove the lab leak stop writing articles about it, people.

Don't accuse people of xenophobia, is my point.

Re: Inside the Wuhan lab weeks before Covid

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HN should limit the rate of comments per user per post. This user is seriously worked up to mute this discussion and spams in every comment thread. Edit: this user wrote 26 out of 88 comments here.

And they should ban throwaway accounts too which you can also see spreading more conjecture.

Re: Inside the Wuhan lab weeks before Covid

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Leaving aside the question of where and how the virus emerged, it's interesting to note that the lab was nigh useless during the pandemic, despite its main specialty was investigating Coronaviruses! It looks like a lot of dangerous research went on, and even if nothing bad happened because of that research, nothing was gained. A lot of risk for nothing.

Are you implying the lab shouldn't have existed at all? And/or future coronavirus labs shouldn't exist either?

I'd like for high risk biological research to be done under the same security arrangements as nuclear weapons research. Covid and influenza have together killed several orders of magnitude more humans in the last 150 years than nuclear weapons/accidents have. Thus GoF research presents a potential human cost much higher than nuclear weapons, and should be treated as such.

If that makes it "too expensive and slow" then so be it. Perhaps there are some things humans should not be doing.

Re: Inside the Wuhan lab weeks before Covid

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If anyone's in for a long read, despite the hokey sounding name, I found this to be one of the best contemporaneous explorations of Covid in china that I've seen to date: https://project-evidence.github.io/

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Because exploring the truth is a worthwhile endeavor particularly in the face of an oppressive regime that made it very clear they did not want the truth to be explored.

Just to be clear what I posted seemed like Chinese people exploring what actually happened more than a blame based document or fear mongering based document.

I would really encourage you to give it a chance because it is very impressive investigative work and, really, an impressive exercise of investigative journalism from a country that hates investigative journalists.

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