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Inside the Wuhan lab weeks before Covid

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Re: Inside the Wuhan lab weeks before Covid

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This is the kind of writing you need to properly discuss the lab leak hypothesis. It's not perfect, there are no good links to sources which suggests a lot of it is made up. However, this kind of writing should only happen after years or months of investigation. You can't do the lab leak panic 2 days into the pandemic. You can't even really do it half way through the pandemic. I'm glad such investigations are being c…

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Re: Inside the Wuhan lab weeks before Covid

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Early on the article makes a conjecture that others also make which I think is part of why the topic is so hot: “Whether the virus emerged as a result of a leak from a laboratory or from nature has become one the most controversial problems in science.” The words “in science” are my problem here: people thinking this is a “scientific” question. It’s a history question, a political question, and could be made into a f…

So, science doesn't have a problem when results of experiments are faked, because science doesn't ask this question, it's a question for politics, forensics, and history? Nice try! Still your move.

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Re: Inside the Wuhan lab weeks before Covid

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The sourcing and style will raise eyebrows. The revelations are valuable, and clear enough to be verifiable through one channel or another. And given that we are at 7 days remaining before the 90-day WIV intel disclosure deadline, old journo hands expect that info leaks are more likely to happen. https://twitter.com/mbalter/status/1667668700885819395?s=20

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Re: Inside the Wuhan lab weeks before Covid

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

There was a peer reviewed paper earlier in the pandemic where scientists used their knowledge of viral anatomy to argue it wasn’t engineered. Subsequent scientific have disagreed. But this isn’t purely historical.

Apologies to those accused of being conspiracy theorists, xenophobic, and spreading misinformation will be going out shortly.

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Re: Inside the Wuhan lab weeks before Covid

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Early on the article makes a conjecture that others also make which I think is part of why the topic is so hot: “Whether the virus emerged as a result of a leak from a laboratory or from nature has become one the most controversial problems in science.” The words “in science” are my problem here: people thinking this is a “scientific” question. It’s a history question, a political question, and could be made into a f…

So, science doesn't have a problem when results of experiments are faked, because science doesn't ask this question, it's a question for politics, forensics, and history? Nice try! Still your move.

Yes, you nailed it properly. If results of experiments cannot be reproduced and confirmed by two independent researchers at least, then it's not a scientific process. History of science is full of fakes.

Re: Inside the Wuhan lab weeks before Covid

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Did you read TA? It summarizes existing known info, but it also includes new, original research.

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I love how people who don’t read the article ask “did you read the article”. Agree there’s nothing new here, and most things presented as new are mostly conjecture or hear say

Re: Inside the Wuhan lab weeks before Covid

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Early on the article makes a conjecture that others also make which I think is part of why the topic is so hot: “Whether the virus emerged as a result of a leak from a laboratory or from nature has become one the most controversial problems in science.” The words “in science” are my problem here: people thinking this is a “scientific” question. It’s a history question, a political question, and could be made into a f…

How is science not involved in a major way here? Of course science will continue to play a huge role in the matter.

Re: Inside the Wuhan lab weeks before Covid

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Early on the article makes a conjecture that others also make which I think is part of why the topic is so hot: “Whether the virus emerged as a result of a leak from a laboratory or from nature has become one the most controversial problems in science.” The words “in science” are my problem here: people thinking this is a “scientific” question. It’s a history question, a political question, and could be made into a f…

I think when they say Science they actually mean: the scientific community.

Re: Inside the Wuhan lab weeks before Covid

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This is the kind of writing you need to properly discuss the lab leak hypothesis. It's not perfect, there are no good links to sources which suggests a lot of it is made up. However, this kind of writing should only happen after years or months of investigation. You can't do the lab leak panic 2 days into the pandemic. You can't even really do it half way through the pandemic. I'm glad such investigations are being c…

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I mean... There are references to names, institutions carrying out certain investigations, references to experiments done prior to the pandemic. Yeah, some of it can be congecture. Which is why I really want the direct links to data, not just mentions to the events.

I'm not sure it's a conspiracy theory. I think it's a legitimate thing to investigate by an international entity like the UN (not the US), and the outcome (if it turns out to be true) should likely be some proportional sanction/payments by China.

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