New York City will charge drivers going downtown

Post by josephcsible » Sun, Jun 11, 2023, 4:38 AM UTC

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> Dense housing doesn't result in traffic congestion. Yes, it does. And the relationship is causal. > If more people live closer together there is more population density, but as long as they can access commercial areas easily then they can do their shopping and work and recreational tasks without cars. What a bunch of bullshit. > Are you seriously arguing that adding more space for cars makes cities less congested?…

> What a bunch of bullshit. How so? I live in lower Manhattan. I go to work, the gym, parks, restaurants, bars, movie theaters, etc. all without a car. > Nothing can help hellscapes like Manhattan. Lol. Don’t move to Manhattan then. Some of us enjoy it. Some of us prefer it over the suburbs. You don’t have to. No one is forcing you.

Post by mattlondon » Sun, Jun 11, 2023, 4:41 AM UTC

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I worked on the technical implementation of one of the London Congestion Charge contracts many years ago. It was a huuuuuuge loss for IBM to implement, but I think their position was "we make a loss here, but then just need to do a search-and-replace for "London" to New York/Paris/Tokyo/Los Angeles and profit!" (I.e. no significant extra development). Suffice to say that didn't happen - it was built with zero customi…

interesting! where did the SAP requirement originate? uk.gov not IBM?

Post by predictabl3 » Sun, Jun 11, 2023, 4:45 AM UTC

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There are also no unsubsidized fire departments, police departments, public schools, public parks, etc. Analyzing only the first order costs/benefits is really not a good way of analyzing any infrastructure project.

> There are also no unsubsidized fire departments, police departments, public schools, public parks, etc. My fire department, police, and parks are certainly not subsidized. I pay for them from my taxes.

Post by nmfisher » Sun, Jun 11, 2023, 4:47 AM UTC

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> We just caved (again) entirely to the transit unions in the last contract negotiation. We have subway lines & trains wired up for 1 man operation but run them staffed with 2 due to union work rules. I don't think this is a good point to make when we've literally had several disastrous derailments thanks to poor regulations and rules around safety and train companies attacking unions. The transit unions are absolute…

The 2 are not redundant. One just does the extremely difficult job of closing the doors which can in no way be done by the driver due to the immense mental burden it would require. Subways all over the world operate with just one employee and surprisingly don’t just derail and kill millions. Maybe take your FUD elsewhere.

Post by nimbleplum40 » Sun, Jun 11, 2023, 4:49 AM UTC

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pkulak wrote: post #442

Wow. So much negativity. As far as I’m concerned, even if the city burns every dollar it collects, if this gets some cars off the island, it’s a win. It’s time to stop tolerating personal vehicles in our most dense urban centers.

The main reason to have a personal vehicle now is that there's an ongoing pandemic and there are no mitigations. If people would do something about that, it would make more sense to reinvest in higher density environmentally friendly transit options.