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Re: Mercedes beats Tesla to autonomous driving in California

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Post by Dylan16807 »

ryanwaggoner wrote: post #202
pnw wrote: post #195

I tried to buy the Mercedes EQS with that feature. All the dealers had a $50k markup , you had to wait months for delivery and most of the cool features in their marketing were not available due to parts shortages. So call me skeptical…

Skeptical? Because it’s so popular that it’s very hard to get?

When it's an "extremely sold out" kind of popular, that can definitely be a reason for skepticism. It's easy to sell out if you barely make any, and when it comes to halo products with significant flaws you want it to be sold out.

Re: Mercedes beats Tesla to autonomous driving in California

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Post by greyskull »

worik wrote: post #367

What do we want from self driving cars? Naturally I wand a car I can summon from the pub that will drive me the 20km, over country roads, to my house while I mix cocktails or have a nap. That may never happen, current technology does not seem up to it. Then what? Modern cruise control, that keeps my car a constant distance form the car in front (unless it roars off at a speed higher that what I am comfortable with) i…

> I would appreciate "automated rumble strips" that warns me gently if I veer out of my lane.

Our Bronco Sport has this (steering wheel vibration) in addition to lane assist. I don't like the latter, so I appreciate that I can enable/disable the two modes independently.

Re: Mercedes beats Tesla to autonomous driving in California

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Post by dontlaugh »

worik wrote: post #367

What do we want from self driving cars? Naturally I wand a car I can summon from the pub that will drive me the 20km, over country roads, to my house while I mix cocktails or have a nap. That may never happen, current technology does not seem up to it. Then what? Modern cruise control, that keeps my car a constant distance form the car in front (unless it roars off at a speed higher that what I am comfortable with) i…

I want cheap trains everywhere.

Re: Mercedes beats Tesla to autonomous driving in California

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Post by dunham »

kevin_thibedeau wrote: post #285
zeroonetwothree wrote: post #281

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It’s legal to turn left in such a case as long as you entered the intersection already. So at least the first 1-2 cars are not doing anything illegal

You can't legally enter an intersection (advance past the stopping line if present) until you are clear to perform your transit of the intersection. Left on red is never legal and marginal on yellow.

> You can't legally enter an intersection (advance past the stopping line if present) until you are clear to perform your transit of the intersection.

Yeah, I've seen tickets written for this in Emeryville, CA for cars that entered on green and weren't going to clear the intersection in the next ten minutes. (I don't know if the intersection is still that bad.) Bicycle cop, because there was no way they'd get a car in there.

> Left on red is never legal

I recall that this was legal in Michigan, where I grew up, but it either had to be onto or off of a one way street. I could never remember which, so I didn't try it.

But I did see someone make a left on red on market street in SF from the rightmost lane, which is very illegal.

Re: Mercedes beats Tesla to autonomous driving in California

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Post by TheAlchemist »

onethought wrote: post #319
TheAlchemist wrote: post #303

Clickbait title to say the least ! While Tesla did amazing things for EVs adoption, and self driving (even if one may say the main contribution is hyping it) it’s hard to see them as leaders anymore. Fact is, Mercedes is taking responsibility for its system while Tesla is not. Tesla claims (and especially it’s fanboys) starts to look like Theranos. Yeah it almost work and it will be a game changer. Yeah well… I’m cur…

Is there a database of videos of Mercedes? I know “they take liability” but if I’m dead, that still sucks. What has Mercedes ceo commented about it? I think you’ll find Mercedes just don’t publish anything, where as Tesla pretty much develop in the open. Regardless of the sausage, some people just don’t like knowing how it’s made.

I don't think there are enough users of this Mercedes thing - and even it there were, they are most certainly not the type of people who will post their videos on youtube...

Tesla publishes very limited and extremely biased numbers - they don't publish raw numbers allowing anybody to do the work.

"Tesla pretty much develop in the open" - that's the issue though - should something like car auto-pilot be allowed to be developed in the open ?

My request was not a shot at Tesla, I just think it would be a very interesting to see - say you are able to isolate and filter all situations of some type (say left turn) from all youtube FSD videos - and compare across the different versions in time. I would love that !

Re: Mercedes beats Tesla to autonomous driving in California

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Post by serf »

generalizations wrote: post #376
worik wrote: post #367

What do we want from self driving cars? Naturally I wand a car I can summon from the pub that will drive me the 20km, over country roads, to my house while I mix cocktails or have a nap. That may never happen, current technology does not seem up to it. Then what? Modern cruise control, that keeps my car a constant distance form the car in front (unless it roars off at a speed higher that what I am comfortable with) i…

I can easily imagine that multimodal GPT-style LMs running in real-time could do all the common sense thinking that seems to be lacking in modern self driving. That future could be just a 100x optimization away. Edit: multimodal . Does no one remember the vision + language version of GPT4 that microsoft demoed?

real-time LMs that can be reasonably allowed to take part in life-or-death situations feels a lot further away (to me) than a 100x optimization.

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Post by aidenn0 »

greyskull wrote: post #383
worik wrote: post #367

What do we want from self driving cars? Naturally I wand a car I can summon from the pub that will drive me the 20km, over country roads, to my house while I mix cocktails or have a nap. That may never happen, current technology does not seem up to it. Then what? Modern cruise control, that keeps my car a constant distance form the car in front (unless it roars off at a speed higher that what I am comfortable with) i…

> I would appreciate "automated rumble strips" that warns me gently if I veer out of my lane. Our Bronco Sport has this (steering wheel vibration) in addition to lane assist. I don't like the latter, so I appreciate that I can enable/disable the two modes independently.

> Our Bronco Sport has this (steering wheel vibration) in addition to lane assist. I don't like the latter, so I appreciate that I can enable/disable the two modes independently.

I know it's way more stuff for them to test, but being able to enable/disable individual features is so huge. My blind-spot warning on my Mazda is super sensitive (plus I drive mostly in traffic so any time I put my turn signal on there is a car next to me). I want to be able to turn it off, but since it uses the same sensors as my RCTA, they can only be enabled/disable together. I love the RCTA, so I just have learned to ignore the beeping that invariably happens every time I signal...

Re: Mercedes beats Tesla to autonomous driving in California

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Post by l33t233372 »

generalizations wrote: post #376
worik wrote: post #367

What do we want from self driving cars? Naturally I wand a car I can summon from the pub that will drive me the 20km, over country roads, to my house while I mix cocktails or have a nap. That may never happen, current technology does not seem up to it. Then what? Modern cruise control, that keeps my car a constant distance form the car in front (unless it roars off at a speed higher that what I am comfortable with) i…

I can easily imagine that multimodal GPT-style LMs running in real-time could do all the common sense thinking that seems to be lacking in modern self driving. That future could be just a 100x optimization away. Edit: multimodal . Does no one remember the vision + language version of GPT4 that microsoft demoed?

Why do you feel this is a language problem?

Re: Mercedes beats Tesla to autonomous driving in California

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Post by Vecr »

renewiltord wrote: post #126

I see. This car is good enough for a morning commute in Bay Area traffic. The question is the disengagement mode. 40 mph on the highway means it only makes sense in traffic, but when the conditions are no longer met how does it decide to hand over control? If it can reliably wake me up or pull over at the off ramp then it's good enough.

It can try to wake you up, but you only have 10 seconds. You should probably only use it for reading books/using computers and that sort of thing.
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