Just goes to show you what kind of freaks are on HN, idolizing one of their own. Ole Ted was also a proponent of remote work from his lil cabin on the prairie.
Ted Kaczynski has died
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The media will report on this as the death of a terrorist. None of the real terrorists will be brought to justice - the CIA has done so many abhorrent things here and abroad. We act like the KGB/FSB is this unfathomable, foreign evil. We have the bigger, scarier thing that killed it in our backyard.
The CIA has done some bad shit, even to their own citizens, but are they really on the level of the KGB? Seems like the KGB was a more overt daily-life terror, whereas the CIA has a more 'occasional' history of atrocities.
CIA is worldwide. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_CIA_controversies (AND THAT'S THE PUBLIC LIST)
How many redlines they gotta cross and ops they gotta run before they rival the KGB for you?
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The zero-sum game and extremist solution are inherent in their position. As the parent says in their reply below: > My post was a call for being smarter about who we invest in.
"We can do better" is not a Hitlerian final solution. I'm calling for having taste, not building gulags.
Tall about mixed metaphors!
Nobody said anything about a “final solution” or gulags.
“We can do better” and “calling for having taste” certainly seems to imply a command-economy approach to the marketplace of ideas.
If that’s not what you intended, what do you mean by “have taste” and “do better”?
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#474One of my good friend’s dad was brutally murdered by Kaczynski when she was a young teenager. A small bomb in a package that used razor blazes, nails, and other bits of metal to nearly tear his head off while his young family was in the house with him. And it turns out the victim was the “wrong” man, as he didn’t even work on the project Kaczynski wanted to bring “retribution” for. Kaczynski May have said some intere…
Thanks for posting. Far too much support and excusing of a deranged murderer in these comments.
The positive comments are mostly in response to his view/ideas/philosophy, as in Industrial Society and Its Future and his subsequent books - I don't think there's a single person here condoning the bombings.
If you were to read his works you might find that he wasn't so deranged after all, quite the opposite.
Edit: In terms of the philosophy/view I mean. The bombings were made out of bitterness and anger and are inexusable.
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#475It's worth noting Kaczynski was the subject of a brutal psychological experiment while a young student at Harvard. It's unfortunate in the present day that so many naive tech individuals don't understand that they've been deliberately recruited by the left in universities worldwide via indoctrination one class at a time. https://www.history.com/news/what-happened-to-the-unabomber-...
> Harvard. It's unfortunate in the present day that so many naive tech individuals don't understand that they've been deliberately recruited by the left in universities worldwide via indoctrination one class at a time
Can you elaborate what you mean by that? I find the notion ridiculous, but I’d like more detail before I write it off.
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#476Earlier quoted context omitted.
Thanks for posting. Far too much support and excusing of a deranged murderer in these comments.
The positive comments are mostly in response to his view/ideas/philosophy, as in Industrial Society and Its Future and his subsequent books - I don't think there's a single person here condoning the bombings. If you were to read his works you might find that he wasn't so deranged after all, quite the opposite. Edit: In terms of the philosophy/view I mean. The bombings were made out of bitterness and anger and are ine…
There are PLENTY, certainly thousands and probably tens of thousands, of works which represent this monster's "view/ideas/philosphy" and weren't written by a deranged murderer. So you can understand the concern.
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They could be for the pro extra-judicial killing position you are presenting. There is sorrow in the world in almost every walk/product/political position. If you can’t recognise your culpability, then we are all doomed to be righteously murdered according to you. No one can sanely support that position. It’s irrational and borderline crazy.
> > And that makes it acceptable to execute a random executive from the firm?
> When one is incapable of recognizing their own culpability in the sorrows of the world, yes.
I am assuming that we all know this is unacceptable and I am explaining the reasoning behind why someone might find this acceptable, namely, and let's quote Outkast this time:
I know you'd like to think your shit don't stank, but
Lean a little bit closer, see
Roses really smell like poo-poo-ooh
Yeah, roses really smell like poo-poo-ooh
One could argue that if Ted K recognized that he was as much of a sinner as his victims that he would not have justified his murderous actions.
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#478Earlier quoted context omitted.
"We can do better" is not a Hitlerian final solution. I'm calling for having taste, not building gulags.
Tall about mixed metaphors! Nobody said anything about a “final solution” or gulags. “We can do better” and “calling for having taste” certainly seems to imply a command-economy approach to the marketplace of ideas. If that’s not what you intended, what do you mean by “have taste” and “do better”?
>> "certainly seems to imply a command-economy approach to the marketplace of ideas."
No. This is a trunk of ideas, not a "marketplace of ideas." I have some wares in there. You can move on if none of it appeals to you.
I'm just some strings in your computer. I can't make you do anything. There's no policy work being done here.
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Both of us seem to agree that there is such a thing called capitalism.
Yes, and I can even bet that unless a species is a hive mind, any intelligent species will have something like capitalism. The inverse is that to enforce a non-capitalist system, you have to brutally shape a society into something that is like a hive mind.
This seems true from our experiences attempting to implement non-capitalist systems in large societies. I think there could be a caveat for very small societies, especially those voluntarily joined, in which sharing goods and labor is possible with democratic modes of conflict management. There are also non-democratic capitalist systems that resort to extreme repression in order to resolve or suppress internal conflict. At scale, I agree no other economic system seems as compatible with democracy and individual choice, but as recent history has shown in Russia and China, capitalism itself doesn't seem sufficient to give rise to liberty.
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thanks for posting and sorry for your loss. I've heard the name TK first when reading Bill Joy's "Why the Future Doesn't Need Us". 15 years later I was burnt out and increasingly aware that Tech was not a force of good. I went on a 3 year journey trying to understand what made TK chose violence. It can't just be the struggle of a Pollak getting people to pronounce his name correctly, however hard that is. I started b…
This is incredible, do you have a blog documenting this journey? You must be one of the few people on earth, if not only person, to have done this. What are you up to nowadays after this profound experience? Ever tried psilocybin?
thanks. I try not to spend too much time online anymore and no longer have a blog.
As TK complained himself (paraphrasing) "you can not learn from academic papers or books about how to thrive in the wilderness. it's something you need to pick up out there.", and I too think it is pointless to put this in a blog.
Never tried psilocybin but once ate some shit mushrooms by accident that gave me the runs and resulted in some pretty bad dehydration. No fun when you need to go every 15 minutes and it's 3 AM and all you have for a toilet is a shovel to dig a ditch and leaves from a tree to wipe :D
never tied psilocybin and generally don't experiment with drugs when in nature. always wanted to try it though. but I'm too old for such things now