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MusicGen: Simple and controllable music generation

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Re: MusicGen: Simple and controllable music generation

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The question that I think tells the kind of potential that ML has for music is, how good is written language in describing music? People here compare this to the development of Stable Diffusion, but the mediums are quite different. Describe your favorite shot in a movie and most likely you’ll enumerate and get pretty far in conveying it to someone who hasn’t seen it, at least the physical aspect of it. But try descri…

“Writing about music is like dancing about architecture.”

Re: MusicGen: Simple and controllable music generation

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(This is not meant to be an anti-ai-generated-art rant. It's coming whether we like it or not. But some of the motives in this thread confuse me.) Music producer here with an honest question to those saying "this will provide me with a simple soundtrack/background music for $PROJECT" Have any of you checked out / made offers on music production subreddits? Or other music subreddits? various music production discords?…

There is an absolutely massive gulf between "free (or fixed list price) and immediate, just use these apps" and "locate a musician, bargain with them, pay, collaborate with them, wait for revisions, eventually get something usable (but not be 100% sure if I own the rights or not)." I wouldn't even know where to start; I'm too far out of my league. Tackling the latter would likely exceed the entire effort I spent writ…

It's not that hard, you find an email and you basically do a cold call. I was doing it in high school off Newgrounds (which is full of royalty free stuff too!)

If your project is small and free, you're not going to land The Eurythmics. But all those people posting their music online hoping to get noticed? Emailing them, even a cold call, immediately tells them you've listened to their stuff and you like it. Honesty is the best approach.

I think OP is onto something.

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> but not be 100% sure if I own the rights or not).

That's also really easy: stipulate it in writing. Preferably a proper contract but an email agreement is defensible too (IANAL).

Re: MusicGen: Simple and controllable music generation

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The question that I think tells the kind of potential that ML has for music is, how good is written language in describing music? People here compare this to the development of Stable Diffusion, but the mediums are quite different. Describe your favorite shot in a movie and most likely you’ll enumerate and get pretty far in conveying it to someone who hasn’t seen it, at least the physical aspect of it. But try descri…

1. MusicGen accepts melody prompt.

2. It doesn't have an "interrogation" feature for now (unless I missed it), but I'm sure something like this is possible.

Re: MusicGen: Simple and controllable music generation

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post #195

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>Oh, to be a fly on the wall in RIAA corporate offices… In all likelihood, they're ok with events. Games were never anywhere near their main revenue stream. Now the labour costs on what they're actually selling are dropping to zero. RIAA's future: 1) Use AI to fake a band. 2) Use AI to write music (maybe even lyrics). Don't really care if the AI is any good. 3) Distribute output widely, note that copyright still appl…

Then they'll quickly be replaced because nothing about that is special - the RIAA exists because they were positioned to guard intellectual property that gave them a monopology on IP that was culturally significant. Making and marketing an AI band isn't even interesting. Someone will be doing it on twitch and youtube an anime vtuber ensemble before the RIAA even figure out any portion of it. The media hype is because…

>The media hype is because of celebrity, and AI generated stuff can't be celebrity.

With sufficient social network campaigns, media brib^W relations, and paid influencers we can get anything to be a celebrity, whether it's a paid actor or an AI avatar. That's the special step that not quite anyone can do. Plenty of K-Pop is already not that different...

Re: MusicGen: Simple and controllable music generation

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post #26

I wonder if any of those services can generate editable output for a software like Ableton or Logic Pro. Seems to be more useful as an "assistant" for music producers, similar to how Copilot operates.

Google has actually released Magenta [0] which is a plugin within Ableton that can do just that. It's pretty cool, it generates interesting melodic content at the click of a button.

[0] https://magenta.tensorflow.org/studio

Re: MusicGen: Simple and controllable music generation

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I'm just weirded about the fact that conversation about something AS EPIC AS THIS is so boring and rudderless here on hacker news of all places. I mean like YESTERDAY I did not have this superpower to summon something as majestic as say https://fb.watch/l4ssOD40M4/ with a simple 'A quirky and skronky Aphex twin sample that just hits you' Edits: I woke up to this news delivered from Yann Lecun himself in the morning o…

When it comes to music, the meme at this point is that "discovery is the problem." There is already so much music being made by so many people that the difficult part is connecting listeners to music they enjoy. It's tiring to see endless takes of "finally! we don't need artists anymore! we can just stand on their shoulders by training models on their work and then generate our own art instead!"

There's already so much art being made. Why have so much joy in ignoring all of it and focusing on generative AI instead?

Furthermore, there's another work posted on that FB account that has the caption:

"While I'm concerned about the possible impact on society - especially on the jobs front, I cant help but grin as the edifice of human exceptionalism is shred apart with every passing day."

Is that you? Why the misanthropy? "edifice of human exceptionalism"? As it applies to... making music?

Re: MusicGen: Simple and controllable music generation

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post #139

Music died in the late 80s when the DJ supplanted the musician and sampling replaced originality. This is just part of the same trend.

Sampling didn't replace originality.

Look at the samples used by Daft Punk on their Interstellar 5555 album. Plenty of originality there.

Re: MusicGen: Simple and controllable music generation

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post #205

(This is not meant to be an anti-ai-generated-art rant. It's coming whether we like it or not. But some of the motives in this thread confuse me.) Music producer here with an honest question to those saying "this will provide me with a simple soundtrack/background music for $PROJECT" Have any of you checked out / made offers on music production subreddits? Or other music subreddits? various music production discords?…

> 1) free and 2) immediate

This is an insurmountable benefit. Literally the two most important things when it comes to me buying music at scale.

I made a mobile game a while back and composing and licensing music cost me $30,000 for a free to play game. That was the same as 6-months dev salary (devs in Belarus).

If I can save $30,000 and have zero delay, I’m just going to do that 100% of the time.

The only factor that a real musician can beat on is quality. But let me tell you, with zero marginal cost of production, quality will inevitably be better with generative.

Re: MusicGen: Simple and controllable music generation

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post #205

(This is not meant to be an anti-ai-generated-art rant. It's coming whether we like it or not. But some of the motives in this thread confuse me.) Music producer here with an honest question to those saying "this will provide me with a simple soundtrack/background music for $PROJECT" Have any of you checked out / made offers on music production subreddits? Or other music subreddits? various music production discords?…

I just don’t have a good source of people that are guaranteed to produce something sensible, I have a shortlist of artists I’ve encountered over the years, but it’s indeed a very short list. If I ask someone to create a track and it turns out it’s garbage, I still need to pay them, and I’ve wasted a week of my time.

Re: MusicGen: Simple and controllable music generation

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post #139

Music died in the late 80s when the DJ supplanted the musician and sampling replaced originality. This is just part of the same trend.

Sampling didn't replace originality. Look at the samples used by Daft Punk on their Interstellar 5555 album. Plenty of originality there.

This is correct. I have about 2TB of (royalty-free) samples that I pick and chop and place and resample when making music. I actually get more original the more material I have to work with.
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