New York City will charge drivers going downtown

Post by xnyan » Sat, Jun 10, 2023, 11:10 PM UTC

bequanna wrote: post #45

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I’m sorry what? Cars are the most subsidized thing in America today, you can’t speak of success when they get billions of blank checks handed to them in many different ways. See here: https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S092180092... Meanwhile public transit: https://www.apta.com/research-technical-resources/research-r...

From your first link: > The true scale of social costs is rarely considered… Yep, that is pretty much what I was expecting. Some hand waving and lecturing about qualitative, subjective externalities. This is social commentary and opinion pretending to be science.

Post by MrMan » Sat, Jun 10, 2023, 11:10 PM UTC

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Yeah, he was a terrible guy and all. But stuff got built. The current inability to build anything is almost a direct result. They delegated decision making to an alphabet soup of agencies at different levels of jurisdiction so it's impossible to get anything done. Because there are so many agencies, you can't for example easily put in a busway because you need NYC DOT, MTA, NYS DOT, city council and mayor to all be o…

Another great example is the fact that the BQE cantilever is probably going to collapse before anyone can agree on how to replace it and do so. So far we have reduced a lane to minimize wear & tear, reduced max tonnage for trucks going over it, and are installing advanced automated ticketing to ticket big trucks attempting to go over it. That's well and good, but salt water corrosion and bureaucratic inertia are goin…

Post by nimbleplum40 » Sat, Jun 10, 2023, 11:13 PM UTC

cyberax wrote: post #312

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You logic is completely backwards. Dense housing doesn't result in traffic congestion. If more people live closer together there is more population density, but as long as they can access commercial areas easily then they can do their shopping and work and recreational tasks without cars. When you remove cars then you suddenly have much more living space because a car takes up a large amount of room to store and ther…

> Dense housing doesn't result in traffic congestion. Yes, it does. And the relationship is causal. > If more people live closer together there is more population density, but as long as they can access commercial areas easily then they can do their shopping and work and recreational tasks without cars. What a bunch of bullshit. > Are you seriously arguing that adding more space for cars makes cities less congested?…

Post by lr4444lr » Sat, Jun 10, 2023, 11:15 PM UTC

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There's more reason for NJ residents to take issue with this. In central jersey, it costs at least $20/person for a round trip ticket. If you go with your family or a group of friends filling a 5 seat car, the train costs $100 just to get into the city and then get hit with whatever additional costs you have for the next few subway rides. Gas, parking, and carpool bridge/tunnel toll prices don't add up to anywhere ne…

Regressive if you ignore all of the other costs associated with driving. Drivers always love to make this argument, but it presupposes that everyone already owns and insures a car. At the end of the day it’s car dependence that is regressive.

Post by MrMan » Sat, Jun 10, 2023, 11:18 PM UTC

screye wrote: post #328

automatoney wrote: post #60

For those unfamiliar with NYC, street parking is free basically everywhere so the space cars take up is already heavily subsidized.

NYC is remarkably car friendly for a place so unsuited for it. The most expensive waterfront property in the world is cannibalized by 2 coastal roads in West St & FDR drive. Unlike Europe, the roads are littered with massive SUVs, clearly out of proportion from the roads and built environment around them. When alternate means of transport and cars interact, cars get precedence. There are no BRT lanes, especially on t…