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Gren – an Elm fork

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Re: Gren – an Elm fork

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post #3

Obligatory https://iselmdead.info/

Gotta love the cult of personality

Yeah sad. I appreciate the philosophy with slow careful releases and I also believe that people should be allowed to make unorthodox design choices in order to stay focused (or at least I’m not sure qualified to critique their choices). But, it seems like there’s a culture of taboo/fear/fanboyism which is clearly not healthy.

Re: Gren – an Elm fork

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post #15

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's a type of a fork but not the kind someone would expect after reading the headline. The FAQ has a similar description, but doesn't make the assertion that it's not a fork, which I disagree with: > Gren started as a fork of Elm. This is mostly considered to be an implementation detail, a way to speed up initial development. > It's not a goal of Gren to replace, or stay compatible in any way with, Elm. https://gren…

A fork is a fork. If Elm development was open to the community and the author could’ve just added Node support to Elm do you think Gren would exist?

Meh, it only happened to fork Elm to bootstrap early development and had no plans to carry on with Elm’s development nor trajectory. People in these comments are already confused.

The only interesting thing about Gren on HN is HN’s interest in Elm drama. I bet nobody here even mentions the language specifics but just meta discussion.

Re: Gren – an Elm fork

#23
post #16

Did they get rid of the whitelist of projects allowed to use native code ( https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=22821447 , https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=17842400 , https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=16510267 )?

Even worse, it checks the git history to make sure that... - There are no changes since HEAD - The commit is signed by Robin himself ...and for those interested in the code that does this https://github.com/gren-lang/compiler/blob/main/builder/src/...

Wild. Do you know why is that code here?

Re: Gren – an Elm fork

#24
post #15

Earlier quoted context omitted.

A fork is a fork. If Elm development was open to the community and the author could’ve just added Node support to Elm do you think Gren would exist?

Meh, it only happened to fork Elm to bootstrap early development and had no plans to carry on with Elm’s development nor trajectory. People in these comments are already confused. The only interesting thing about Gren on HN is HN’s interest in Elm drama. I bet nobody here even mentions the language specifics but just meta discussion.

It usually isn't the best way to introduce it, but if you value clear communication it makes sense to say that it is a fork of Elm if someone wonders whether or not it is one. Otherwise you're venturing into territory where the meaning of words is arbitrary and only your favorite words to describe something are valid.

Re: Gren – an Elm fork

#25
post #21

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Gotta love the cult of personality

Yeah sad. I appreciate the philosophy with slow careful releases and I also believe that people should be allowed to make unorthodox design choices in order to stay focused (or at least I’m not sure qualified to critique their choices). But, it seems like there’s a culture of taboo/fear/fanboyism which is clearly not healthy.

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Re: Gren – an Elm fork

#26
post #21

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Gotta love the cult of personality

Yeah sad. I appreciate the philosophy with slow careful releases and I also believe that people should be allowed to make unorthodox design choices in order to stay focused (or at least I’m not sure qualified to critique their choices). But, it seems like there’s a culture of taboo/fear/fanboyism which is clearly not healthy.

I don’t get what’s unhealthy about anything on that page. Elm’s trade offs are in plain sight. If you don’t want them, then you have plenty of warning.

Frankly Elm has more of a problem with negative fanboying: people who have decided it’s not for them yet have to constantly show up to neener neener every time Elm appears on HN instead of just moving on.

It’s very weird to me as someone who uses Elm daily. We get it. You don’t like it and everyone needs to know it.

That it’s some sort of cult is just HN drama begging fantasy.

Re: Gren – an Elm fork

#28
post #20
post #16

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Even worse, it checks the git history to make sure that... - There are no changes since HEAD - The commit is signed by Robin himself ...and for those interested in the code that does this https://github.com/gren-lang/compiler/blob/main/builder/src/...

lol, what did they smoke to think that's reasonable?!

It’s their language, they can do as they wish.

Re: Gren – an Elm fork

#29
post #5
post #2

Why is Elm getting forked?

For one, it's been over 2 years without an Elm release. And there are many open bugs untracked in GitHub. https://github.com/elm/compiler/issues Unrelated to your question but for those curious, here's a comparison between Gren and Elm : https://gren-lang.org/book/faq.html#what-are-the-differences...

> No GLSL syntax.

What does this mean? I know what GLSL is but I don't understand what Elm or Gren have to do with it.

Re: Gren – an Elm fork

#30
post #16

Did they get rid of the whitelist of projects allowed to use native code ( https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=22821447 , https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=17842400 , https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=16510267 )?

Even worse, it checks the git history to make sure that... - There are no changes since HEAD - The commit is signed by Robin himself ...and for those interested in the code that does this https://github.com/gren-lang/compiler/blob/main/builder/src/...

that stuff gets run on every compile (transpile?)? yet it seems that any would-be forker could easily remove it? surely this must all be an elaborate gag or something.
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