New York City will charge drivers going downtown

Post by NovemberWhiskey » Sat, Jun 10, 2023, 9:33 PM UTC

jcranmer wrote: post #168

pclmulqdq wrote: post #144

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It is now over a thousand per month for a dedicated space in Manhattan, and that seems to be about the right price.

A parking space takes up about 200 ft² (not counting things like the width of the travel lane between parking spaces), and office rent in Manhattan runs about $7-8/ft² each month. Chances are, even at well over $1000/month, the parking infrastructure is still effectively below the cost of the space it takes up.

Post by estebank » Sat, Jun 10, 2023, 9:37 PM UTC

tick_tock_tick wrote: post #245

ricktdotorg wrote: post #199

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> Describing the NYC subway as "working great" is an amazing twisting of the truth. The only thing good about it is that it isn't as bad as public transport in Long Island. Otherwise, good luck going anywhere on time without having to add 30 minutes - an hour of waste just standing around. just to add some real numbers, we can look at the actual NYC subway data from MTA's march 2023 report[0] page 12: * ~3.7m subway…

Give me p90, p95, etc. While less frequent those are the events people remember not the other 3 days it worked.

Post by speakfreely » Sat, Jun 10, 2023, 9:40 PM UTC

comte7092 wrote: post #209

bilalq wrote: post #200

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There's more reason for NJ residents to take issue with this. In central jersey, it costs at least $20/person for a round trip ticket. If you go with your family or a group of friends filling a 5 seat car, the train costs $100 just to get into the city and then get hit with whatever additional costs you have for the next few subway rides. Gas, parking, and carpool bridge/tunnel toll prices don't add up to anywhere ne…

Regressive if you ignore all of the other costs associated with driving. Drivers always love to make this argument, but it presupposes that everyone already owns and insures a car. At the end of the day it’s car dependence that is regressive.

Post by knorker » Sat, Jun 10, 2023, 9:43 PM UTC

speakfreely wrote: post #255

comte7092 wrote: post #209

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Regressive if you ignore all of the other costs associated with driving. Drivers always love to make this argument, but it presupposes that everyone already owns and insures a car. At the end of the day it’s car dependence that is regressive.

> Drivers always love to make this argument, but it presupposes that everyone already owns and insures a car. Have you ever been to New Jersey? The entire state is set up to make it as difficult as possible to live without a car.

Post by jccalhoun » Sat, Jun 10, 2023, 9:45 PM UTC

bilalq wrote: post #200

superseeplus wrote: post #172

A big proportion of the opposition is coming from New Jersey where former Governor Chris Christie systematically diverted public transit funding to constructing more roads leaving NJ Transit with a maintenance backlog, inadequate infrastructure and unhappy workers who were poached by the MTA. This resulted in a mismatch where the infrastructure is designed to favor driving on one side of the river and a fee designed…

There's more reason for NJ residents to take issue with this. In central jersey, it costs at least $20/person for a round trip ticket. If you go with your family or a group of friends filling a 5 seat car, the train costs $100 just to get into the city and then get hit with whatever additional costs you have for the next few subway rides. Gas, parking, and carpool bridge/tunnel toll prices don't add up to anywhere ne…