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Ted Kaczynski has died

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Re: Ted Kaczynski has died

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i read ted's manifesto awhile back and wrote a review about it: https://j3s.sh/review/industrial-society-and-its-future.html

overall i was pretty disappointed. ted's writing wasn't very good at all & his arguments did not convince me. i was surprised because of his writing seems to be universally praised in tech circles.

in my opinion it isn't worth reading. it's philosophical cosplay.

Re: Ted Kaczynski has died

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Points #171 to #178 - chapter "The Future" - of ISaiF contain the discussion about Artificial Intelligence and general Automation (and further prospective areas such as Genetic Engineering).

The analysis, while lucidly exposed, lacks the sophistication which should reveal more major possibilities (e.g. the machine as an enhancer for the decisor and the public).

Nonetheless, we read

> On the other hand it is possible that human control over the machines may be retained. In that case the average man may have control over certain private machines of his own, such as his car or his personal computer, but control over large systems of machines will be in the hands of a tiny elite

where the missed addition of quantifiers and specifiers in the expression «may have control» makes said relative "lack of sophistication" even optimistic.

Re: Ted Kaczynski has died

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My takeaway from Kacynski’s manifesto is that he makes an astute observation about the root causes of unhappiness, but then proposes an absurd solution.

The astute observation is that a lot of unhappiness is driven by over-socialization and a commitment to inauthentic, subjective values.

The solution, to tear down technology to force mankind to work on more primitive goals, only makes sense if there are no alternatives.

Thankfully there are many alternatives. First and foremost, I think people like Ted just need to realize that the yearning to be important and useful is natural, but something you can let go of if you stop taking life so seriously.

Re: Ted Kaczynski has died

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To be fair, he seemed to line up pretty strongly with Ned Ludd, and the evils of capitalism in relation to 'who owns the machines'.

Note: the original Luddites weren't against technology. They were against technology minimizing worker power.

I don't follow why he chose to send bombs to people. But at least to the Luddites, sabotage of the means of production was considered laudable.

Re: Ted Kaczynski has died

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

On every measure, there was never a better time in the history of civilization to live.

Obesity rate.

Obesity in a world where you could diet and exercise is still preferable to starvation in a world without easy access to food. At one time it was a sign of wealth and privilege to be able to afford enough calories to put on any weight at all, and enough leisure time to not have to work it all off through brutal, constant labor.

Re: Ted Kaczynski has died

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post #190

Earlier quoted context omitted.

He's written a couple of books (didn't have complete freedom to do it, I remember him complaining about some hurdles) and done mail correspondence with various people.

> and done mail correspondence with various people I hope the prison guards checked those mails thoroughly

From some cruising on Wikipedia, apparently all his correspondence is available University of Michigan's Special Collections Library (over 400 letters), though the identity of the people won't be unsealed until 2049.

Re: Ted Kaczynski has died

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I remember in the 90s a classmate in my junior high lived across the street from the house that Ted grew up in (evergreen park, il). When all this was going down he mentioned how before it went public that there was a suspicious amount of people visiting that house and removing things in boxes (I guess Teds brother owned the house and still had his writings in the attic).

Re: Ted Kaczynski has died

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"Technology bad." It's really that. He falls for the same trap many modern critics of progress do: the nostalgia for a world that never existed, when men lived meaningful lives in peaceful harmony with nature... juxtaposed with all the purported moral, societal, and environmental decay of today. Many people find it alluring today, but the themes are evergreen. They crop up in ancient Greece, in the Middle Ages, and t…

Thank you. It’s depressing to find so many people on HN expressing sympathy for the nonsense written in the manifesto. People should read “Beginning of Infinity” for a strong counter argument.

Sadly, it seems that for one to be taken seriously as a thinker, it takes minimal coherence, median compatibility of ideals with the readers and maximal violence in advertising yourself.

Re: Ted Kaczynski has died

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post #320

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who refuted it? other federal agencies? the crack just materialized on its own?

There was never any evidence to begin with. The author of the often cited investigative report even refutes the assertion that the CIA was involved. It’s pure fantasy.

right, and then the guy who wrote the report later "killed himself" with two gunshots to the head.
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