It’s fun to drop verbatim quotes from his manifesto into random internet discussions without attribution. A lot of people agree with his ideas without realizing it.
This also works with some Hitler quotes, what's your point?
Which ones?
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unless you can show with substantive research that there are some ideas that cannot be held by violent terrorists I don't see why that would color these particular ideas.
I'd argue that these ideas cannot be held by violent terrorists:
* Commitment to avoid causing physical or emotional harm to others.
* Absolute respect and preservation of all human lives, without exceptions.
* Unconditional rejection of violence under any circumstances.
* Belief that every human has the right to live, and recognition of the dignity, worth, and autonomy of every individual.
* Full acceptance of differing viewpoints, cultures, religions, and lifestyles.
* Consistent practice of understanding and sharing the feelings of others, and alleviating their suffering.
* Refraining from initiating force against others.
* Resolution of differences and conflict through conversation and mutual understanding, rather than force or coercion.
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Who wants to keep live bombs in their house? Obviously he was going to put them elsewhere. Which is what planting is.
I'm not claiming to know the timeline, but he could have built them before "the deal", then made the deal and decided not to plant them. Innocent until proven guilty. There is more than enough evidence to put away Teddy K for life. Lean on real evidence. Don't stretch the truth and muddy the waters for the innocent. Your line of reasoning could be used to convict the innocent.
There was only one live bomb found and he did intend to use it.
> Kaczynski replied Penthouse was less "respectable" than The New York Times and The Washington Post, and said that, "to increase our chances of getting our stuff published in some 'respectable' periodical", he would "reserve the right to plant one (and only one) bomb intended to kill, after our manuscript has been published" if Penthouse published the document instead of The Times or The Post.
Don't do victims of terrorism a disservice by suggesting a mass murderer deserves the benefit of the doubt as to whether he has any qualms about reneging on "deals" made with a society he doesn't respect. His calculus for who got to live and die hinged on factors as arbitrary as nitpicking over which periodical was willing to publish his bullshit. He was a fucking Narcissist to the extreme, who would waste no time coming out of retirement at the next perceived slight.
"Innocent until proven guilty" doesn't apply to the fucking Unabomber. Bombing people is kind of his thing. He proved it, what, 16 times?
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#264Anyone who disagrees with Kaczynski's ideas because they came from a convicted terrorist should read the works of Jacques Ellul instead, of which Kaczynski's was largely a popular reduction. The Technological Society is the clearest influence on Kaczynski's manifesto, but Propaganda: The Formation of Men's Attitudes is possibly more pertinent in this day and age. Ellul was a professor, a pacifist, and a Christian ana…
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who knows who Kaczynski would have ended up as a person if not for the horrible, abusive mind control experiments that he had to endure through in his early adulthood.
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#265Anyone who disagrees with Kaczynski's ideas because they came from a convicted terrorist should read the works of Jacques Ellul instead, of which Kaczynski's was largely a popular reduction. The Technological Society is the clearest influence on Kaczynski's manifesto, but Propaganda: The Formation of Men's Attitudes is possibly more pertinent in this day and age. Ellul was a professor, a pacifist, and a Christian ana…
He sounds like an ecofascist to me, someone willing to use violence in pursuit of a "green" ideology.
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#266It’s been years since I’ve read Industrial Society and its Future , but I remember it felt like the author was rationalizing his own emotional state into a philosophy supposedly explaining society. It contained many subjective ideas presented as hard fact, as well as some naive romanticization of pre-industrial societies. He was right about one thing, though. No one would give his writings a second look if he wasn’t…
>It contained many subjective ideas presented as hard fact, as well as some naive romanticization of pre-industrial societies. You may enjoy reading this: https://theanarchistlibrary.org/library/ted-kaczynski-the-tr...
Interesting, will check it out.
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#267There was an interesting podcast about the Unabomber and his eventual capture - "Project Unabom". [0] Some of the episodes feature material about his relationship with his family and the pool of other suspects that emerged during the investigation.
[0] https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/project-unabom/id16276...
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Search for the section "psychological study" under "Early Life".
"Some sources have suggested that Murray's experiments were part of Project MKUltra" doesn't really seem like strong evidence.
right after that sentence, you have -
"A Freedom of Information Act document released by the Central Intelligence Agency in 2018 states that "a considerable amount of credible circumstantial evidence suggests that Theodore Kaczynski. also known as the Unabomber, participated in CIA-sponsored MK-ULTRA experiments conducted at Harvard University from the fall of 1959 through the spring of 1962".[26] Chase and others have also suggested that this experience may have motivated Kaczynski's criminal activities"
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#270It’s fun to drop verbatim quotes from his manifesto into random internet discussions without attribution. A lot of people agree with his ideas without realizing it.
one of the funniest things for me is the fact that many left-wing people add Kaczynski quotes without realizing that left-wing people are basically the first people to be criticized and almost mocked in Ted's main piece, "Industrial society and its future"
"Leftists" offended by these sentiments are most likely centrists. The goal of neoliberalism (read: the DNC) has been to shift the left to the center. This has been their objective for years. See: Obama, Biden, the Clintons.
TK was post-left before it was cool.