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Ted Kaczynski has died

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Re: Ted Kaczynski has died

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Post by sneak »

martythemaniak wrote: post #94

I find it very curious the fawning treatment this murderer's death is receiving here. The guy killed three innocent people and maimed a number of others because he went crazy and wanted to get back at the world. What is wrong with you people? You know there's plenty of people that are smarter than him, being able to produce more coherent, balanced and informed views of society, and also not murder people.

Barack Obama murdered hundreds of innocent children via drone strikes he ordered or approved. Donald Trump continued the process, killing hundreds more. Both received widespread support from millions of citizens.

Our society already celebrates mass murder of innocents, and those who do the murdering. Once you see it, you cannot unsee it.

Re: Ted Kaczynski has died

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Post by jscipione »

JKCalhoun wrote: post #81
bigmattystyles wrote: post #11

No mention of MKUltra, it doesn’t excuse his behavior but does explain why he may have been pushed over the edge.

You'd have a point if other subjects of MK-Ultra allowed a similar trajectory as Kaczynski. Were there other cases of self-destruction? I don't even know how many people were subjected to these experiments.

Kanye West was drugged by his Personal trainer Harley Pasternak who has connection to Canadian Military where he talks about using mind-control drugs on soldiers.

https://vigilantcitizen.com/latestnews/did-kanye-expose-holl...

Re: Ted Kaczynski has died

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Post by kneebonian »

ripourhero wrote: post #107
sebmellen wrote: post #78

Earlier quoted context omitted.

For a person who exhibited such deranged behavior, his writing and arguments are remarkably clear and cool-headed.

Out of curiosity, have you ever heard of operation condor? project mkultra? As far as I know from studying history, it's impossible to win (= survive as a culture against encroachment from different cultures) without violence. Today's mantra of pacifism and non-violence is just propaganda from current governments (all of which were originally installed through bloodshed, and kept in power through never-ending bloodsh…

Interesting you mention MKUltra as one of the reasons claimed for Teds "extreme" personality is because he was unwillingly drafted into and forced to participate in MkUltra.

Re: Ted Kaczynski has died

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Post by op00to »

sillysaurusx wrote: post #184
irq wrote: post #148

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Who wants to keep live bombs in their house? Obviously he was going to put them elsewhere. Which is what planting is.

As asinine as it sounds, I agree with them. In this specific case, there’s no reason to believe that a completed bomb is the same as an intent to bomb anybody. I’d be surprised if any 20-year veteran bomb builder didn’t have a couple fully-working prototypes, the same reason I’d be surprised a 20-year veteran coder had no fully functional prototypes. Crafting is crafting, whether you’re doing woodworking or killing.…

Dude. There is a difference between a bomb that has significant ability to kill and destroy and sample code.

Re: Ted Kaczynski has died

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Post by siftrics »

AnimalMuppet wrote: post #225
arp242 wrote: post #178

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's not really about intellectual honesty or validity, but about morality. The only reason any of us are discussing Kaczynski now is because he sent those bombs; he would almost certainly be an unknown if he had not. This gives us an moral quandary, because do we really want to make murderers famous, even when they have something interesting to say? Won't this incentivise future acts of murder and terrorism? And for…

Yeah, "morality" is a good word. See, Kaczynski's theory is also about morality. He's complaining about the damage that technology does. Well, why do we care that it does damage? That's a moral question, not a scientific or technical one. He's making a moral argument. So, if he's making a moral argument and murdering people, that means that I for one am unwilling to trust his moral judgment. It means I can't trust hi…

That's a reductionist moral framework you have.

Are we not justified in killing Hitler to prevent the suffering of millions?

I think Ted is wrong, but I also think your counterargument is ridiculous.

Re: Ted Kaczynski has died

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Post by ren_engineer »

crhulls wrote: post #31

His manifesto is worth reading. Although he was obviously a twisted man many of his predictions for the future were eerily prescient. http://editions-hache.com/essais/pdf/kaczynski2.pdf

not sure why people are so surprised he got some things right or was at least able to create compelling arguments for this ideas, the guy was a legit genius. Got into Harvard at 16, youngest math professor ever at Cal Berkley at the time he was hired

Re: Ted Kaczynski has died

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Post by op00to »

siftrics wrote: post #165
irq wrote: post #148

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Who wants to keep live bombs in their house? Obviously he was going to put them elsewhere. Which is what planting is.

I'm not claiming to know the timeline, but he could have built them before "the deal", then made the deal and decided not to plant them. Innocent until proven guilty. There is more than enough evidence to put away Teddy K for life. Lean on real evidence. Don't stretch the truth and muddy the waters for the innocent. Your line of reasoning could be used to convict the innocent.

Isn’t it illegal to have a bomb intended to maim or kill?

Re: Ted Kaczynski has died

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Post by tenpies »

JKCalhoun wrote: post #81
bigmattystyles wrote: post #11

No mention of MKUltra, it doesn’t excuse his behavior but does explain why he may have been pushed over the edge.

You'd have a point if other subjects of MK-Ultra allowed a similar trajectory as Kaczynski. Were there other cases of self-destruction? I don't even know how many people were subjected to these experiments.

Realistically, the CIA will not release full details on MK-ULTRA for another couple generations, so we will never get official confirmation of the alleged names in our lifetime. There is a starting list here under "Notable subjects", although presumably there are subjects that were just vanilla murderers and subjects that tried (and hopefully succeeded) to live a normal life[1].

When this information is finally released, the people around for that will say "wow, the CIA used to do some real evil stuff against our own people, good thing they would never do that these days!" as the CIA carries out some absurd level of evil that makes MK-ULTRA seem like a fender bender.

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[1] https://www.cia.gov/readingroom/docs/project%20mk-ultra%5B15...

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