Mercedes beats Tesla to autonomous driving in California

Post by wilg » Sat, Jun 10, 2023, 6:40 PM UTC

belter wrote: post #127

wilg wrote: post #124

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It's not necessarily worse, since there is a person driving the car who can prevent the car from behaving badly. What's the safety difference between this and a regular cruise control, which will happily plow you into a wall or car if you don't intervene? And, empirically, there's no evidence that these cars are less safe when driving this way. Tesla claims people driving with FSD enabled have 4x fewer accidents than…

"Tesla Again Paints A Crash Data Story That Misleads Many Readers" - https://www.forbes.com/sites/bradtempleton/2023/04/26/tesla-... "...Several attempts have been made to reach out to Tesla for comment over the years since these numbers first started coming out, however, Tesla closed its press relations office and no longer responds to press inquiries..."

Post by katbyte » Sat, Jun 10, 2023, 6:44 PM UTC

Spivak wrote: post #115

barbariangrunge wrote: post #49

We’ve actually had nearly self driving vehicles for over a century. They’re called trains. We should invest in some. The navigation problem gets way easier

Driverless trains are actually a pretty new thing, being on tracks is not as set/forget as people assume. If you mean "transportation where I'm not driving" then sure but taxis also fit that bill.

Post by ikekkdcjkfke » Sat, Jun 10, 2023, 6:44 PM UTC

justapassenger wrote: post #34

lvl102 wrote: post #29

It doesn’t take a lot to retro-fit roads with autonomous guardrail markers when we repave. It’s going to take a federal-level effort to accomplish this (which should have been apart of pandemic infrastructure stimulus). I strongly believe this would improve safety for autonomous vehicles by 1000x.

Detecting lane is mostly solved problem. Detecting AND predicting what other things will do on the road (not only cars, but people, animals, trash, etc) is not.

Post by BHSPitMonkey » Sat, Jun 10, 2023, 6:51 PM UTC

belter wrote: post #123

szundi wrote: post #112

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Seemed to be completely OK, a driver who is on the safe side would have just done this exactly

If you stay there, blocking traffic for no reason, and do not proceed when you are clear to go, as it did until the driver accelerated, you will fail a driving license exam in most countries.

Post by belter » Sat, Jun 10, 2023, 6:52 PM UTC

jondwillis wrote: post #128

belter wrote: post #75

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Took me less than a few minutes, to find in the same channel, FSD failing and the human having to intervene. Here it is at the proper time and for a video uploaded 10 hours ago... - https://youtu.be/KG4yABOlNjk?t=995 And even worst failures...looking at all these I simply do not believe the videos posted are not edited or a selection of a success out of many failed ones. https://youtu.be/KG4yABOlNjk?t=1252 https://yo…

Anecdotally, in LA, I turn off FSD basically every minute while trying to use it, due to it doing something slightly “inhuman” or not ideal/too to the letter of the law, signaling incorrectly while staying in a lane that curves slightly, etc. I can’t imagine letting it go for a full hour without causing some road rage or traffic blockage. To be clear there is a definite driving “culture” in LA that is very permissive…