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Ted Kaczynski has died

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The media will report on this as the death of a terrorist. None of the real terrorists will be brought to justice - the CIA has done so many abhorrent things here and abroad. We act like the KGB/FSB is this unfathomable, foreign evil. We have the bigger, scarier thing that killed it in our backyard.

> real terrorists Did the CIA fabricate and mail the bombs?

Not those specific bombs.

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post #75

Many of the comments are taking the occasion to speak favorably of the Unabomber's manifesto. IMHO, there's a time to consider ideas, but I think it would be better not to do that when talking about a terrorist who attacked innocents to promote exposure of those ideas. Otherwise, it would seem to be validating and rewarding terrorism, and thereby encouraging future terrorists.

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It’s fun to drop verbatim quotes from his manifesto into random internet discussions without attribution. A lot of people agree with his ideas without realizing it.

I haven’t read the entirety of his manifesto, but his ideas always struck me as typical narratives that resonated with people’s anxieties about modernity.

A bit of a bait and switch. Get attention with something shocking and violent, then appeal to worries through apocalyptic boogeymen. The solution, of course, is a sense of comforting tradition that the naturalness of the past is safe. A killer combo!

Re: Ted Kaczynski has died

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post #64

It’s fun to drop verbatim quotes from his manifesto into random internet discussions without attribution. A lot of people agree with his ideas without realizing it.

one of the funniest things for me is the fact that many left-wing people add Kaczynski quotes without realizing that left-wing people are basically the first people to be criticized and almost mocked in Ted's main piece, "Industrial society and its future"

I would describe myself as left-wing, and I agree with some (not all) of his criticisms of "the left" in general. Turns out that left-wing people can have disagreements. Furthermore, I can reject argument X while simultaneously also accepting argument Y from the same person or book.

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post #148

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Them finding two completed bombs is not evidence that he planned to plant them.

Who wants to keep live bombs in their house? Obviously he was going to put them elsewhere. Which is what planting is.

I'm not claiming to know the timeline, but he could have built them before "the deal", then made the deal and decided not to plant them.

Innocent until proven guilty. There is more than enough evidence to put away Teddy K for life. Lean on real evidence. Don't stretch the truth and muddy the waters for the innocent. Your line of reasoning could be used to convict the innocent.

Re: Ted Kaczynski has died

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It’s fun to drop verbatim quotes from his manifesto into random internet discussions without attribution. A lot of people agree with his ideas without realizing it.

That however is unfortunately true for quotes from many of history's dark figures, be it Hitler, Stalin or Nero.

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post #66

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What did the CIA do? I checked his Wikipedia page, not mentioned there.

Search for the section "psychological study" under "Early Life".

"Some sources have suggested that Murray's experiments were part of Project MKUltra" doesn't really seem like strong evidence.

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Maybe a stupid question, but I'm curious what he's been up to in the decades since in prison. A brain like his doesn't stop working just because he's in jail, does it? I'm not sure what kind of terms he had, was he allowed to read? to write?

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You'd have a point if other subjects of MK-Ultra allowed a similar trajectory as Kaczynski. Were there other cases of self-destruction? I don't even know how many people were subjected to these experiments.

Charles Manson. Frank Rudolph Emmanuel Olson.

I saw Charles Manson and a few others on the MKUltra Wikipedia page but they use phrases like "alleged", "according to author...". Without an idea of the sample size of people subjected to experimentation it's still inconclusive.

Re: Ted Kaczynski has died

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I vacillate between excitement for the future and fear that people like Kaczynski are right (not the violence, obviously). It often does feel as though the direction of technological progress is independent of what is best for the wellbeing of humanity.
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