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Re: MusicGen: Simple and controllable music generation

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Post by johaugum »

the_only_law wrote: post #33
brucethemoose2 wrote: post #13

Earlier quoted context omitted.

A flood of garbage film/music has always existed, we just don't remember it because its uninteresting. However, I think modern rec algorithms (like the Netflix home page) are recommending more mediocre stuff than the old system, and the streaming boom did produce an abnormal glut of junk. Anyway I think AI is going to spawn a music remixing/game modding/tv extending renaissance. They perform much better when pointing…

I won’t speak to music, as I listen to a lot of stuff, enough to know there is good stuff out there being made. But for movies and TV? Where do I find the good stuff? It seems Hollywood is creatively bankrupt and just milking people off boring franchises and cheap nostalgia through crappy remakes and sequels. My eyes rolled to the back of my head when I saw an ad for a show called “how I met your father” on Hulu.

> But for movies and TV? Where do I find the good stuff?

There’s a trove of incredible foreign movies and TV shows out there. Scandinavian and Asian (Korean in particular) content has a really good hit to miss ratio for me.

For examples, check out international film festival nominations and winners.

Re: MusicGen: Simple and controllable music generation

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Post by skrebbel »

rubicon33 wrote: post #7

Maybe I'm just getting older but I feel like the quality of both music and film has seriously declined over the last 5-10 years. Maybe the good stuff is still out there but lost in a sea of average garbage that has surfaced to the top. Something tells me AI isn't going to rescue us either. I just sampled a bunch of these generated tracks and they immediately remind me of the average, mediocre, soul-lacking content th…

Sounds to me like you've simply stopped trying.

When I was 20 I was a music snob into Aphex Twin and weird IDM. I thought all pop at the time was crap, like you seem to. But then I heard, I mean like really heard, "Bye Bye Bye" by *NSYNC and seriously that is a good song!

I'm 40 now and I think it got way better even since then. Pop is so varied now! I really don't think music as quirky and weird as, say, Billie Eilish would've made it to the top of the charts in the 90s. I'd say that music like hers (and many charting artists of her generation) is a testament to how broad and compelling pop music has become.

My generation thought their parents' music was shit, my parents' generation thought their parents' music was shit, and so on, all the way until at least the invention of Jazz. But the average Gen-Z'er thinks all the music is great! They invent new genres for every song, they wear Metallica t-shirts in 2023, and they mix 80s disco with 00's Brit rock like it's just what people do.

And don't forget there's an endless long tail of music out there. There are so many good musicians and plenty of them have a sufficiently fancy label deal to be on Spotify and the likes. And otherwise they're still on Soundcloud, Bandcamp and YouTube. It's worth a deep dive!

Re: MusicGen: Simple and controllable music generation

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Post by muglug »

For the most part the new samples still sound like melodic nonsense — in all but one of the examples the melody doesn't fit properly with the chords underneath. It really does feel like the output of a music blender.

The style transfer is the most interesting bit IMO, as you get a sense of how it hears the source examples.

For example, when transferring the opening to the Bach Toccata all the new samples miss out the same passing note (the fifth note in the sequence). To a human ear that note is important, and could easily have been incorporated into the new samples, but it seemingly doesn't activate enough neurons for MusicGen to care.

Re: MusicGen: Simple and controllable music generation

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Post by cheschire »

yantrams wrote: post #53

I'm just weirded about the fact that conversation about something AS EPIC AS THIS is so boring and rudderless here on hacker news of all places. I mean like YESTERDAY I did not have this superpower to summon something as majestic as say https://fb.watch/l4ssOD40M4/ with a simple 'A quirky and skronky Aphex twin sample that just hits you' Edits: I woke up to this news delivered from Yann Lecun himself in the morning o…

It's not rudderless, there's just a large amount of angst surrounding AI/ML ranging from "more ways to feed the copyright trolls" to "what should I raise my kids to do for a starter career?" and a lot of interpolated points in between.

You're totally okay not feeling this angst. But so are the folks who do.

Re: MusicGen: Simple and controllable music generation

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Post by ddmichael »

electroly wrote: post #65
ddmichael wrote: post #48

Earlier quoted context omitted.

"That being said - it's happening, and nothings going to stop it" Well, the European Union is already working on a legal framework for AI. It happened with GDPR and it will happen again.

GDPR has a severely muted effect because Americans are still doing the same things they were before. It'll be even more ineffectual for AI. Nearly all AI research you hear about is being done in the United States. European regulations will only stop Europeans from using it, but you won't be able to escape it anyway because of how much American culture is continuously imported into Europe. Meanwhile, the reverse is al…

"very little European culture makes it into American culture"

LOL, I love Americans and America but seriously? Like what is already there is not enough :D

Re: MusicGen: Simple and controllable music generation

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Post by fancy_pantser »

the_only_law wrote: post #33
brucethemoose2 wrote: post #13

Earlier quoted context omitted.

A flood of garbage film/music has always existed, we just don't remember it because its uninteresting. However, I think modern rec algorithms (like the Netflix home page) are recommending more mediocre stuff than the old system, and the streaming boom did produce an abnormal glut of junk. Anyway I think AI is going to spawn a music remixing/game modding/tv extending renaissance. They perform much better when pointing…

I won’t speak to music, as I listen to a lot of stuff, enough to know there is good stuff out there being made. But for movies and TV? Where do I find the good stuff? It seems Hollywood is creatively bankrupt and just milking people off boring franchises and cheap nostalgia through crappy remakes and sequels. My eyes rolled to the back of my head when I saw an ad for a show called “how I met your father” on Hulu.

Having a good time woth Trakt for discovery and rating. It has a very active app/plugin/webhook ecosystem and I've gotten some great recommendations from it by scrobbling via Plex and following a few people with similar preferences on there.

Re: MusicGen: Simple and controllable music generation

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Post by panosfilianos »

tumult wrote: post #45

I don’t understand what’s motivating certain types of people to continue working on these types of AI practical implementation projects. There’s nothing good for the world this (type of AI in particular) will offer. Maybe someone will say this will let people who aren’t musicians express themselves by creating music. That’s not true. It’s as true as hiring a musician to make a song for you, given a description. And n…

Let's say that ebooks now include metadata for soundtrack generation as you read them. Something like this model generates it real time based on the users reading speed etc.

That'd be pretty cool for example.

Re: MusicGen: Simple and controllable music generation

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Post by blensor »

tomjakubowski wrote: post #75
yantrams wrote: post #53

I'm just weirded about the fact that conversation about something AS EPIC AS THIS is so boring and rudderless here on hacker news of all places. I mean like YESTERDAY I did not have this superpower to summon something as majestic as say https://fb.watch/l4ssOD40M4/ with a simple 'A quirky and skronky Aphex twin sample that just hits you' Edits: I woke up to this news delivered from Yann Lecun himself in the morning o…

that's cool but also sounds nothing like aphex twin. sort of four tet-ish maybe

I may get down voted for this but it somehow reminds me of this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fboNTcjJ8bo
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