Earlier quoted context omitted.
They aren’t shipping v4 in the model 3, so no on the “every vehicle”
https://www.teslaoracle.com/2023/06/07/tesla-model-3-highlan...
That’s not shipping…
If you buy a model 3 TODAY you get V3
Mercedes beats Tesla to autonomous driving in California
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Re: Mercedes beats Tesla to autonomous driving in California
#102Earlier quoted context omitted.
The implied system is Benz's autodriving. You seem to refer to "society" as a system. Clever, but not really fruitful.
I wasn’t trying to be cheeky. I must have misunderstood your comment? As I understand it the L3 system is limited to limited access highway roads, < 40mph, and no lane changes. Those are its limitations, and I believe they are self-imposed by Mercedes, not any US regulations.
"Regardless of those capabilities, the California DMV is placing some serious restrictions on the Merc system. It can only operate during the day on certain limited roads, and only at speeds of up to 40 miles per hour. The system will be usable on California highways in the Bay Area, Central Valley, Los Angeles, Sacramento and San Diego, as well as on Interstate 15 between southern California and Nevada, where the autopilot was approved for use in January."
This indicates to me the limitations come from regulators and not the manufacturer but I might be wrong.
Re: Mercedes beats Tesla to autonomous driving in California
#103Many people are saying Tesla FSD is far more advanced, and I've seen videos of A Tesla driving around LA for 2 hours completely autonomously so I agree Tesla FSD is the world leader by far and blows what Mercedes has built out of the water. However Mercedes are taking liability whilst their system is in use which implies Tesla takes no liability whilst their system is in use. I'm surprised Tesla is scared to take leg…
> [...] blows what Mercedes has built out of the water. Mercedes FSD prototype, 10 years ago: https://youtu.be/G5kJ_8JAp-w
>Mercedes FSD prototype, 10 years ago:
Mercedes FSD prototype 1986 to 1994 via the 400 Million Euro EU funded Prometheus project https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I39sxwYKlEE
It's funny that German, and Italian researchers and car makers had the early lead on self driving tech and then lost it by shelving the tech. Oof.
Which reinforces my earlier point I made in another thread here today, that innovation only happens in the EU as long as it's government funded and as soon as the funding stops, work stops and everything gets shelved instead of the private industry picking up the slack, funding it further to commercialize it like in the US. Sad.
“It’s possible that [Germany] threw away its clear vanguard role because research wasn’t consistently continued at the time,” Schmidhuber said. He added that carmakers might have shied away from self-driving technology because it seemed to be in opposition to their marketing, which promoted the idea of a driver in charge of steering a car."
Re: Mercedes beats Tesla to autonomous driving in California
#104Friendly reminder that this system is HEAVILY limited, with the following restrictions: - Must be under 40 mph - Only during the daylight and only on certain highways - CANNOT be operated on city/country streets - CANNOT be operated in construction zones - CANNOT be during heavy rain or fog or flood roads And for comparison: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DjZSZTKYEU4 Tesla FSD navigating the complex city streets of…
In the end, Mercedes assumes liability for its system, where Tesla doesn’t. Tells you all you need to know.
Is there evidence for this?
Re: Mercedes beats Tesla to autonomous driving in California
#105Many people are saying Tesla FSD is far more advanced, and I've seen videos of A Tesla driving around LA for 2 hours completely autonomously so I agree Tesla FSD is the world leader by far and blows what Mercedes has built out of the water. However Mercedes are taking liability whilst their system is in use which implies Tesla takes no liability whilst their system is in use. I'm surprised Tesla is scared to take leg…
Mercedes could also ship their own L2 AutoPilot without having to take legal responsibility. Their customers would love it as much as Tesla drivers love theirs. The thing is, they just aren’t capable of it.
Or Mercedes has certain reputation to maintain. This is not a dig at Tesla, but Mercedes not shipping L2 AP doesn't imply they aren't capable of it.
Re: Mercedes beats Tesla to autonomous driving in California
#106Re: Mercedes beats Tesla to autonomous driving in California
#107Friendly reminder that this system is HEAVILY limited, with the following restrictions: - Must be under 40 mph - Only during the daylight and only on certain highways - CANNOT be operated on city/country streets - CANNOT be operated in construction zones - CANNOT be during heavy rain or fog or flood roads And for comparison: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DjZSZTKYEU4 Tesla FSD navigating the complex city streets of…
Took me less than a few minutes, to find in the same channel, FSD failing and the human having to intervene. Here it is at the proper time and for a video uploaded 10 hours ago... - https://youtu.be/KG4yABOlNjk?t=995 And even worst failures...looking at all these I simply do not believe the videos posted are not edited or a selection of a success out of many failed ones. https://youtu.be/KG4yABOlNjk?t=1252 https://yo…
I'm not sure exactly your point. The Tesla does sometimes require intervention, that's why it's Level 2. But it's still attempting to drive in significantly more complicated situations than this Drive Pilot thing. Does Drive Pilot stop at stoplights or make turns? I don't think so.
Regarding deceptive editing, plenty of people post their Teslas doing squirrely things and them intervening. So it's not like a secret that sometimes you have to intervene.
Re: Mercedes beats Tesla to autonomous driving in California
#108Earlier quoted context omitted.
In the end, Mercedes assumes liability for its system, where Tesla doesn’t. Tells you all you need to know.
Is there evidence for this?
https://insideevs.com/news/575160/mercedes-accepts-legal-res...
"once a driver turns on Drive Pilot, they are "no longer legally liable for the car's operation until it disengages." The publication goes so far as to say that a driver could actually pay zero attention to the road ahead, play on their mobile phones, and even watch a movie. If the car were to crash, Mercedes would be 100 percent responsible."
Re: Mercedes beats Tesla to autonomous driving in California
#109Friendly reminder that this system is HEAVILY limited, with the following restrictions: - Must be under 40 mph - Only during the daylight and only on certain highways - CANNOT be operated on city/country streets - CANNOT be operated in construction zones - CANNOT be during heavy rain or fog or flood roads And for comparison: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DjZSZTKYEU4 Tesla FSD navigating the complex city streets of…
They are all heavily limited.
But FSD isn't even necessary to help, an autonomous acceleration and follow mode for all cars on traffic lights and in traffic jams would already have huge benefits.
Re: Mercedes beats Tesla to autonomous driving in California
#110Earlier quoted context omitted.
It will give a 10 second warning - https://youtu.be/1gjweWq8qAc
I have verrrry limited connectivity RN so can’t watch video. If they really do give 10 seconds, then does the system remain engaged for the “dog/kid darting out between parked cars” scenario? And engage a collision avoidance trajectory planner? 10 seconds is an eternity, even in 35 mph zones. (60 kph)
Yes L3 must handle the dog running into the road situation, this Mercedes will even do evasive driving when possible to avoid a collision.