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No mention of MKUltra, it doesn’t excuse his behavior but does explain why he may have been pushed over the edge.

You'd have a point if other subjects of MK-Ultra allowed a similar trajectory as Kaczynski. Were there other cases of self-destruction? I don't even know how many people were subjected to these experiments.

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Not really. It's a lot of disorganized nonsense with a high noise-to-signal ratio. Random excerpts: > 14. Feminists are desperately anxious to prove that women are as strong and as capable as men. Clearly they are nagged by a fear that women may NOT be as strong and as capable as men. > 15. Leftists tend to hate anything that has an image of being strong, good and successful. They hate America, they hate Western civi…

14 doesn’t insane 15 seems spot on to me. It’s definitely how conservatives see leftists. 22 and 35 do seem like rambling

I haven't read it in years, but I think 35 was part of a bigger argument that past a certain point everything in modern life is either impossible or trivially easy to achieve, so people seek outlets in hobbies, etc. Not universally true, as anyone who's ever job hunted or quit smoking knows, but not just thoughtless rambling.

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Anyone who disagrees with Kaczynski's ideas because they came from a convicted terrorist should read the works of Jacques Ellul instead, of which Kaczynski's was largely a popular reduction. The Technological Society is the clearest influence on Kaczynski's manifesto, but Propaganda: The Formation of Men's Attitudes is possibly more pertinent in this day and age. Ellul was a professor, a pacifist, and a Christian ana…

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Re: Ted Kaczynski has died

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Anyone who disagrees with Kaczynski's ideas because they came from a convicted terrorist should read the works of Jacques Ellul instead, of which Kaczynski's was largely a popular reduction. The Technological Society is the clearest influence on Kaczynski's manifesto, but Propaganda: The Formation of Men's Attitudes is possibly more pertinent in this day and age. Ellul was a professor, a pacifist, and a Christian ana…

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unless you can show with substantive research that there are some ideas that cannot be held by violent terrorists I don't see why that would color these particular ideas.

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Ted Kaczynski was a genius, a mathematical child prodigy, became a professor at Berkeley at 25 and had a bright future. I completely blame CIA experiments for his downfall into radicalism and extremism. His ideas were very valid, but his mind was too tortured to deal with them in a healthy manner. Rest in peace.

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His manifesto is worth reading. Although he was obviously a twisted man many of his predictions for the future were eerily prescient. http://editions-hache.com/essais/pdf/kaczynski2.pdf

I don't suppose anyone has a short summary?

"Technology bad."

It's really that. He falls for the same trap many modern critics of progress do: the nostalgia for a world that never existed, when men lived meaningful lives in peaceful harmony with nature... juxtaposed with all the purported moral, societal, and environmental decay of today.

Many people find it alluring today, but the themes are evergreen. They crop up in ancient Greece, in the Middle Ages, and throughout history.

Misplaced nostalgia aside, another problem with most such ideologies is that the prescription for returning to that utopian bygone era inevitably involves force: the premise is that our minds are too corrupted to understand what's right. Whether that's blowing things up or taking away your rights is just an implementation detail.

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

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Not really. It's a lot of disorganized nonsense with a high noise-to-signal ratio. Random excerpts: > 14. Feminists are desperately anxious to prove that women are as strong and as capable as men. Clearly they are nagged by a fear that women may NOT be as strong and as capable as men. > 15. Leftists tend to hate anything that has an image of being strong, good and successful. They hate America, they hate Western civi…

For the most part the underlying observations are hard to disagree, even if you disagree with the conclusions.

14: - Yep this is quite off. I disagree.

15: (Some) Leftists do operate under a slave morality, which does lead them to morally binary modes of thinking, resulting in things like supporting the Russian invasion of Ukraine (because America is an imperialist, illegitimate state and therefore NATO is too).

22: Not unique to leftists - the political machine demands conflict to justify it's own existence

35: Mazlow's hierarchy of needs. This is undisputable. Why do billionaires waste money on backyard space experiments and vacuous social media platforms? Existential boredom and ego.

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Ted Kaczynski was a genius, a mathematical child prodigy, became a professor at Berkeley at 25 and had a bright future. I completely blame CIA experiments for his downfall into radicalism and extremism. His ideas were very valid, but his mind was too tortured to deal with them in a healthy manner. Rest in peace.

What did the CIA do? I checked his Wikipedia page, not mentioned there.

> [1] The CIA was carrying out its mind control program at this university, using the most varied techniques for this purpose. Thus, he endured the administration of substances, hypnosis, electric shocks, and sophisticated psychological techniques. This Harvard experiment lasted almost three years and Kaczynski was one of those experimental subjects.

[1] https://exploringyourmind.com/the-harvard-experiment-that-le...

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Please don't post unsubstantive comments.

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No one is saying you owe convicted murderers better, but if you're participating here, you owe better to this community than empty pejorative comments.

Re: Ted Kaczynski has died

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Anyone who disagrees with Kaczynski's ideas because they came from a convicted terrorist should read the works of Jacques Ellul instead, of which Kaczynski's was largely a popular reduction. The Technological Society is the clearest influence on Kaczynski's manifesto, but Propaganda: The Formation of Men's Attitudes is possibly more pertinent in this day and age. Ellul was a professor, a pacifist, and a Christian ana…

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