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Re: MusicGen: Simple and controllable music generation

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Post by tumult » Sat, Jun 10, 2023, 5:51 PM UTC

esskay wrote: post #41

ddmichael wrote: post #14

I may as a composer be biased but AI "generating" music is just sad. The hypocrisy is that musicians have been suing each other for intellectual property reasons, while this thing is being trained on everyone's music. The law should catch up on this. I get that it's going to improve but for now it's also just elevator/supermarket music.

It's an artform so its natural for a composer to have the same reaction as a painter would to Stable Diffusion for example. That being said - it's happening, and nothings going to stop it regardless of which side of the fence people sit on.

You make it sound like some force of nature is causing this to occur. These things exist because people are making them, despite there no longer being a healthy reason for doing so.

(I’m not saying there’s reason for AI development in general to stop, but these generative things that are designed to slot neatly into the role of human artists specifically have no reason to be developed further beyond proving it was possible, and that happened a while ago.)

Re: MusicGen: Simple and controllable music generation

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Post by 52-6F-62 » Sat, Jun 10, 2023, 5:51 PM UTC

tumult wrote: post #45

I don’t understand what’s motivating certain types of people to continue working on these types of AI practical implementation projects. There’s nothing good for the world this (type of AI in particular) will offer. Maybe someone will say this will let people who aren’t musicians express themselves by creating music. That’s not true. It’s as true as hiring a musician to make a song for you, given a description. And n…

Exactly.

What happened to automatic the boring things?

Instead they seem to be all in on washing out any hope in creativity and pointing people to put all their hope in minting and munging “code”.

It’s so myopic and short sighted it hurts my soul. I don’t understand at all. All that money, all that knowledge and talent… and this and stupid headsets strapped to peoples faces is the game? God dammit.

Re: MusicGen: Simple and controllable music generation

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Post by yantrams » Sat, Jun 10, 2023, 5:52 PM UTC

I'm just weirded about the fact that conversation about something AS EPIC AS THIS is so boring and rudderless here on hacker news of all places.

I mean like YESTERDAY I did not have this superpower to summon something as majestic as say https://fb.watch/l4ssOD40M4/ with a simple 'A quirky and skronky Aphex twin sample that just hits you'

Edits:

I woke up to this news delivered from Yann Lecun himself in the morning on facebook[1] and my gaped mouth can still be found for onlookers to witness I suppose!

LIKE THIS IS IT FOLKS!

Edit 2

All those back in my days muzzak folks lamenting about the quality of contemporary music can fuck right off because you clearly havent explored enough of the modern music landscape.

Dont you dare blaspheme saying modern music has stagnated or some drivel like that. It is outright offensive to folks who are pushing the boundaries like say for example The Ex from Netherlands https://www.facebook.com/theexband https://www.theex.nl/news.html

Just because you and the other soulless people you fraternize with are ignorant of all the innovative stuff thats going on, we have to suffer through your opinion on the state of pop culture?

Re: MusicGen: Simple and controllable music generation

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Post by sillysaurusx » Sat, Jun 10, 2023, 5:53 PM UTC

rubicon33 wrote: post #7

Maybe I'm just getting older but I feel like the quality of both music and film has seriously declined over the last 5-10 years. Maybe the good stuff is still out there but lost in a sea of average garbage that has surfaced to the top. Something tells me AI isn't going to rescue us either. I just sampled a bunch of these generated tracks and they immediately remind me of the average, mediocre, soul-lacking content th…

Counterexample: https://on.soundcloud.com/d6rX9goHHrSH3sQY9

I agree with you. When gwern investigated AI folk music in 2019, I realized it could generate a wonderful variety of music, full of soul. Be sure to listen to several tracks before making up your mind. My favorite is “crossing the channel”, since I think GPT made a mistake at the beginning, and then generated the most reasonable sounding not-mistake, which turned out to sound so cool.

My goal was strong, memorable melodies. Star Wars, not Marvel. GPT can come surprisingly close, if the input data format is right. Unfortunately I don’t think anyone except gwern has noticed that the input format is crucial: https://gwern.net/gpt-2-music

Re: MusicGen: Simple and controllable music generation

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Post by emporas » Sat, Jun 10, 2023, 5:53 PM UTC

I used MusicGen yesterday to create 50 songs or so. Three of them sound pretty good [1][2][3]. MusicGen is definitely the best of four models of the presentation. I used the prompts differently than the article and i think i got better results.

Suppose there is way to measure cardio beats or electricity spikes on the brain, and we configure the machine to generate music to increase cardio beats, or decrease them, or similarly increase electrical activity of the brain or decrease it. Then psychology might be deprecated, mood will be reduced to just a music channel.

[1]https://soundcloud.com/kwstas-pramatias/lounge-owl

[2]https://soundcloud.com/kwstas-pramatias/rock-glass-shatterin...

[3]https://soundcloud.com/kwstas-pramatias/rock-owl-howling

Re: MusicGen: Simple and controllable music generation

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Post by wilg » Sat, Jun 10, 2023, 5:53 PM UTC

ddmichael wrote: post #48

esskay wrote: post #41

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's an artform so its natural for a composer to have the same reaction as a painter would to Stable Diffusion for example. That being said - it's happening, and nothings going to stop it regardless of which side of the fence people sit on.

"That being said - it's happening, and nothings going to stop it" Well, the European Union is already working on a legal framework for AI. It happened with GDPR and it will happen again.

Sure, but that's not going to stop it.

Re: MusicGen: Simple and controllable music generation

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Post by mensetmanusman » Sat, Jun 10, 2023, 5:54 PM UTC

rubicon33 wrote: post #7

Maybe I'm just getting older but I feel like the quality of both music and film has seriously declined over the last 5-10 years. Maybe the good stuff is still out there but lost in a sea of average garbage that has surfaced to the top. Something tells me AI isn't going to rescue us either. I just sampled a bunch of these generated tracks and they immediately remind me of the average, mediocre, soul-lacking content th…

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=TJ6Mzvh3XCc

This is a great song for contemplating loss of a loved one.

I'm not sure AI music will ever reach these heights because it will have trouble understanding death.

Re: MusicGen: Simple and controllable music generation

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Post by brucethemoose2 » Sat, Jun 10, 2023, 5:54 PM UTC

the_only_law wrote: post #33

brucethemoose2 wrote: post #13

Earlier quoted context omitted.

A flood of garbage film/music has always existed, we just don't remember it because its uninteresting. However, I think modern rec algorithms (like the Netflix home page) are recommending more mediocre stuff than the old system, and the streaming boom did produce an abnormal glut of junk. Anyway I think AI is going to spawn a music remixing/game modding/tv extending renaissance. They perform much better when pointing…

I won’t speak to music, as I listen to a lot of stuff, enough to know there is good stuff out there being made. But for movies and TV? Where do I find the good stuff? It seems Hollywood is creatively bankrupt and just milking people off boring franchises and cheap nostalgia through crappy remakes and sequels. My eyes rolled to the back of my head when I saw an ad for a show called “how I met your father” on Hulu.

Use 3rd party discovery services.

Reelgood is a good one, sort by IMDB score (which is somehow still kinda working as a metric) or the reelgood score which is a popularity among enthusiasts kinda ranking. You will find tvs gems streaming services criminally and inexplicably never recommend.

But "old school" recommendations from TV /movie buffs (like the tvtropes community or various forums) are still a good source.

Re: MusicGen: Simple and controllable music generation

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Post by mensetmanusman » Sat, Jun 10, 2023, 5:56 PM UTC

satvikpendem wrote: post #17

rubicon33 wrote: post #7

Maybe I'm just getting older but I feel like the quality of both music and film has seriously declined over the last 5-10 years. Maybe the good stuff is still out there but lost in a sea of average garbage that has surfaced to the top. Something tells me AI isn't going to rescue us either. I just sampled a bunch of these generated tracks and they immediately remind me of the average, mediocre, soul-lacking content th…

You are getting older. Every generation thinks the same, that media is getting worse, discounting the survivorship bias that occurs when they look back on their favorite music and discarding all of the bad music that was present back then.

Society is more unhealthy, people are dying sooner, and there are more broken families than decades ago. So we might be right for once!

Re: MusicGen: Simple and controllable music generation

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Post by [deleted] » Sat, Jun 10, 2023, 5:58 PM UTC

xfour wrote: post #2

Pretty good at transcribing the text, but the outputted music feels for lack of a better word “safe”. For example the kicking beat is way to generic and soft.

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