MusicGen: Simple and controllable music generation • Hacker News Board

Re: MusicGen: Simple and controllable music generation

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Post by esskay » Sat, Jun 10, 2023, 5:44 PM UTC

ddmichael wrote: post #14

I may as a composer be biased but AI "generating" music is just sad. The hypocrisy is that musicians have been suing each other for intellectual property reasons, while this thing is being trained on everyone's music. The law should catch up on this. I get that it's going to improve but for now it's also just elevator/supermarket music.

It's an artform so its natural for a composer to have the same reaction as a painter would to Stable Diffusion for example.

That being said - it's happening, and nothings going to stop it regardless of which side of the fence people sit on.

Re: MusicGen: Simple and controllable music generation

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Post by wendyshu » Sat, Jun 10, 2023, 5:44 PM UTC

ddmichael wrote: post #14

I may as a composer be biased but AI "generating" music is just sad. The hypocrisy is that musicians have been suing each other for intellectual property reasons, while this thing is being trained on everyone's music. The law should catch up on this. I get that it's going to improve but for now it's also just elevator/supermarket music.

Musicians are trained on everyone's music too

Re: MusicGen: Simple and controllable music generation

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Post by ddmichael » Sat, Jun 10, 2023, 5:45 PM UTC

mmaunder wrote: post #30

This is incredible!! For all the “AI is stealing our music” naysayers here consider that all art is derivative or it lacks context and makes it nonsensical, and artists learn too.

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Re: MusicGen: Simple and controllable music generation

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Post by erwincoumans » Sat, Jun 10, 2023, 5:45 PM UTC

I've tried MusicLM and other Google AI music tools and they sounded very low quality/lo-fi. Seems Facebook isn't much better?

Re: MusicGen: Simple and controllable music generation

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Post by tumult » Sat, Jun 10, 2023, 5:45 PM UTC

I don’t understand what’s motivating certain types of people to continue working on these types of AI practical implementation projects. There’s nothing good for the world this (type of AI in particular) will offer.

Maybe someone will say this will let people who aren’t musicians express themselves by creating music. That’s not true. It’s as true as hiring a musician to make a song for you, given a description. And nobody would say that the person who hired the musician was expressing themself.

Re: MusicGen: Simple and controllable music generation

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Post by layer8 » Sat, Jun 10, 2023, 5:49 PM UTC

wendyshu wrote: post #42

ddmichael wrote: post #14

I may as a composer be biased but AI "generating" music is just sad. The hypocrisy is that musicians have been suing each other for intellectual property reasons, while this thing is being trained on everyone's music. The law should catch up on this. I get that it's going to improve but for now it's also just elevator/supermarket music.

Musicians are trained on everyone's music too

But they have tastes and preferences in a way that the models lack — unless, possibly, if you have them retrained sufficiently long by a single individual or small group, I guess.

Re: MusicGen: Simple and controllable music generation

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Post by berberous » Sat, Jun 10, 2023, 5:49 PM UTC

the_only_law wrote: post #33

brucethemoose2 wrote: post #13

Earlier quoted context omitted.

A flood of garbage film/music has always existed, we just don't remember it because its uninteresting. However, I think modern rec algorithms (like the Netflix home page) are recommending more mediocre stuff than the old system, and the streaming boom did produce an abnormal glut of junk. Anyway I think AI is going to spawn a music remixing/game modding/tv extending renaissance. They perform much better when pointing…

I won’t speak to music, as I listen to a lot of stuff, enough to know there is good stuff out there being made. But for movies and TV? Where do I find the good stuff? It seems Hollywood is creatively bankrupt and just milking people off boring franchises and cheap nostalgia through crappy remakes and sequels. My eyes rolled to the back of my head when I saw an ad for a show called “how I met your father” on Hulu.

For TV, hard to go wrong with an HBO series. Most recently, Succession was excellent.

Re: MusicGen: Simple and controllable music generation

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Post by ddmichael » Sat, Jun 10, 2023, 5:49 PM UTC

esskay wrote: post #41

ddmichael wrote: post #14

I may as a composer be biased but AI "generating" music is just sad. The hypocrisy is that musicians have been suing each other for intellectual property reasons, while this thing is being trained on everyone's music. The law should catch up on this. I get that it's going to improve but for now it's also just elevator/supermarket music.

It's an artform so its natural for a composer to have the same reaction as a painter would to Stable Diffusion for example. That being said - it's happening, and nothings going to stop it regardless of which side of the fence people sit on.

"That being said - it's happening, and nothings going to stop it"

Well, the European Union is already working on a legal framework for AI. It happened with GDPR and it will happen again.

Re: MusicGen: Simple and controllable music generation

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Post by ben_w » Sat, Jun 10, 2023, 5:49 PM UTC

So, CC-BY-NC licensed model weights, and they've made sure to license the training data. And some jurisdictions are saying that copyright cannot be claimed on the output of such models.

Oh, to be a fly on the wall in RIAA corporate offices…

Sans schadenfreude, I think this (depending on inference speed) could be perfect for dynamic content in games (including IRL games: LARP, escape rooms, table top games, etc.)

Re: MusicGen: Simple and controllable music generation

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Post by Cyph0n » Sat, Jun 10, 2023, 5:51 PM UTC

the_only_law wrote: post #33

brucethemoose2 wrote: post #13

Earlier quoted context omitted.

A flood of garbage film/music has always existed, we just don't remember it because its uninteresting. However, I think modern rec algorithms (like the Netflix home page) are recommending more mediocre stuff than the old system, and the streaming boom did produce an abnormal glut of junk. Anyway I think AI is going to spawn a music remixing/game modding/tv extending renaissance. They perform much better when pointing…

I won’t speak to music, as I listen to a lot of stuff, enough to know there is good stuff out there being made. But for movies and TV? Where do I find the good stuff? It seems Hollywood is creatively bankrupt and just milking people off boring franchises and cheap nostalgia through crappy remakes and sequels. My eyes rolled to the back of my head when I saw an ad for a show called “how I met your father” on Hulu.

Those “boring franchises” are what bankroll the passion projects, artsy festival bound movies, and experimental content.

As far as content goes, there has been a ton of excellent stuff just this year across movies, TV, and anime. One “organic” way to start is to look for recent recommendation threads on Reddit for a movie or show you really like.