Doesn't this completely miss the point? DCA is about reducing volatility, not maximizing return. Your expected value is higher without DCA, but it's not about the expected value - it's about tightening the stddev of possible outcomes. "A bird in the hand is worth two in the bush".
Debunking the Myth of Dollar Cost Averaging
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#32If you make a salary from your job, dollar cost averaging makes more sense than saving up your salary and then lump sum investing it at some point in time. Randomly getting a huge lump sum of money would only happen very rarely. In reality, investing your paycheck each week is a much better method of investing than either trying to play the market or saving up in a low yield savings account. This is horrible advice f…
Saving with each paycheck isn’t dollar cost averaging. It’s lump sum. DCA would be something like putting 1/4 of your total savings every week.
Anyway, in my experience this situation comes up a lot due to the above
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#33Yes, lump sum maximises expected returns, but you typically don't want to just maximise expected returns. Volatility matters. If I give you this once in a lifetime trade: 100k for a 1 in a 1000 chance to win 500M, would you take it? There are very few people who would, even though it has 400k of expected returns, a whopping 400%. Most of us simply don't make enough money in a life to take that trade enough times to c…
Utility isn’t linear in dollars. I’d be just about as happy with 100 million as 500 million.
Re: Debunking the Myth of Dollar Cost Averaging
#34Yes, lump sum maximises expected returns, but you typically don't want to just maximise expected returns. Volatility matters. If I give you this once in a lifetime trade: 100k for a 1 in a 1000 chance to win 500M, would you take it? There are very few people who would, even though it has 400k of expected returns, a whopping 400%. Most of us simply don't make enough money in a life to take that trade enough times to c…
The sharpe ratio is a common metric used to balance risk and reward. Based on the figures in this article, I'm almost positive that "lump sum" would outperform DCA's sharpe as well. A good way to respond to your example would also be to bring in a discussion of the St. Petersburg paradox and expected utility theory.
The use case for lump sum and dollar cost averaging (or "Systematic investment" that he mentions in the article, which sounds very much like what I have always called DCA but whatever) are different. Most people don't have a chunk of cash to invest, most people have some small amount of excess cash to invest each month or whatever. So in that world are you better off investing each month, or saving up until you have a lump sum? Almost certainly investing[1] each month.
For that reason, most people in the investment world would use some variant on internal rate of return here, which you could do a risk-adjusted variant of if you wanted to. I expect if you used either of those metrics you would find that DCA pays a small amount of excess return in cases when you would luck out and invest big after a decline in the lump sum case. In return for this, DCA has far lower variance, and far less likelihood of "effective ruin"[2].
[1] Technically if your savings amount each month is very small the transaction costs will eat up your capital if you trade too often so you should save until you have chunkier amounts in that case to mitigate this.
[2] Strictly if you're just investing long in cash equities (not derivs) risk of ruin is practically zero, but for a real person you can be very significantly harmed if say you bought equities at some high water mark, there is a big sell-off, the market basically goes sideways (declines in real terms after inflation) for a long period of time and you have to retire (so you have no earning power) and have to sell gradually at a loss to sustain your standard of living in retirement. This is effectively the position a lot of Japanese investors found themselves in after the big slump there.
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#37If you make a salary from your job, dollar cost averaging makes more sense than saving up your salary and then lump sum investing it at some point in time. Randomly getting a huge lump sum of money would only happen very rarely. In reality, investing your paycheck each week is a much better method of investing than either trying to play the market or saving up in a low yield savings account. This is horrible advice f…
> The difference between DCA and SI is that in DCA you have all the money available since the beginning, but in SI you have to wait until the next month to have access to the quantity to be invested.
Re: Debunking the Myth of Dollar Cost Averaging
#38If you make a salary from your job, dollar cost averaging makes more sense than saving up your salary and then lump sum investing it at some point in time. Randomly getting a huge lump sum of money would only happen very rarely. In reality, investing your paycheck each week is a much better method of investing than either trying to play the market or saving up in a low yield savings account. This is horrible advice f…
Pedantically, many believe that this is not actually DCA.
DCA is a strategy that is a counterpoint to lump sum investing. From that perspective, the common factor required by both strategies is that you actually have a lump sum to invest.
Investing every month as you earn money, assuming you never had enough to do a lump sum isn’t considered DCA from this perspective because there was no alternative to lump sum invest.
I do adhere to this thinking, and I think it would be useful to have a term for each of these three options. Unfortunately nobody’s proposed one that’s stuck for what you’re describing, so an endless debate rages on financial subreddits whenever this comes up.
I only bring this up because whenever people talk about DCA, there is an implicit assumption that they’re discussing from the perspective of their definition of the term. The article is—I assume—using the definition I described. Because yes, saving up your money to invest in one go at the end is categorically the worst option, and silly enough a strategy that it doesn’t often warrant mention or discussion.
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#39DCA is just a way to choose your security/cash split at different points in time though. Their relative performance at different points in time greatly impacts the results. Any time you have additional (probabilistic) information to bear on the problem, DCA can start to look a lot more attractive. For example, if you expect that in some time horizon there will be a dip of unknown magnitude and unknown bottom timing, then DCA outperforms many alternatives including buying up-front.
Anywho, just take care to blend what you know about the market (probably approximately nothing) with what your goals are (0% chance of hitting $0 vs a low chance of hitting $10M+ vs highest average yield no matter what vs highest yield predicated on being able to afford an upcoming purchase vs whatever else floats your boat). The right strategy for somebody else is not necessarily the right strategy for you.
Re: Debunking the Myth of Dollar Cost Averaging
#40If you make a salary from your job, dollar cost averaging makes more sense than saving up your salary and then lump sum investing it at some point in time. Randomly getting a huge lump sum of money would only happen very rarely. In reality, investing your paycheck each week is a much better method of investing than either trying to play the market or saving up in a low yield savings account. This is horrible advice f…