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Re: Chat Notebooks

#71

Earlier quoted context omitted.

At that time FileMaker was the HyperCard for data analysis. They could also interoperate.

No one asked but the MacIvory genera world could also interoperate with HyperCard.

I just looked up MacIvory (Symbolics). I wish I had worked at place that needed that. I have Luther Johnson's MakerLisp box that I want to boot up and add to my set-up to define symbols for the daily status of a building's systems.

https://www.makerlisp.com

Re: Chat Notebooks

#72
post #10

While I think his notebooks and features look pretty useful, he frames the article around having invented "notebooks" 36 years ago before anyone else, and talks about other notebooks not having features that they've had since 1987. This is a pretty odd context to basically describe a new chat feature. Is this a record that should be set straight? I've used Jupyter since it was IPython notebook, but I don't think that…

Having been there when it was first announced, I think his "claim" has substance. Mathematica clearly defined the "notebooks" UI as it is known today.

It's not about him being right or not, but about it being irrelevant.

Re: Chat Notebooks

#73

One of the Wolfram/Chatbook developers here. I'm happy to answer questions or accept feedback about the new functionality. We're very excited about the potential of Wolfram technology + LLMs, and we've got a number of interesting projects underway in this area. Stephen's other recent blog posts linked at the top of the Chat Notebooks post provide a nice tour. The Wolfram/Chatbook[1] package mentioned in the post is f…

What is the chat context length? Or, to be precise: 1. How long can a single chat input be? 2. If I am using a chat notebook with several previous inputs, when entering some new input below all of those, is it just appending all previous inputs together and sending the entire thing to the LLM? If so, how long can this be? Will it summarize if it exceeds that length? 3. What model is this using? GPT-3.5 or GPT-4 or so…

1, 2. In the Chat Notebooks implementation, we aren't currently imposing any limits of our own. Currently we support OpenAI's API, and the only limits imposed are those inherent to the model being used (i.e. GPT-3.5 or GPT-4).

When you have a sequence of alternating 'ChatInput' and 'ChatOutput' cells, those are sent in-order as individual, respectively, "role" -> "user" and "role" -> "assistant" messages to the chat API. It doesn't, for example, concatenate them into a single message.

The one exception is Chatbook's implementation of Personas, which are defined (roughly speaking) as a "system" message that gets prepended as the first message in the chat conversation on each ChatInput evaluation, and which in some cases is concatenated with other ChatInput cells that have been set to "role" -> "system".

Chatbook's don't currently do automatic behind-the-scenes summarization, but we've experimented with some possible approaches. There are UI and and UX considerations around how we present that possibility of automatic summarization that I think require greater consideration.

3. Currently we support the OpenAI Chat API, and all models supported by that API. However, Chatbook currently only implements quick UI access to the GPT-3.5 and GPT-4 models. If you want to use a different OpenAI model in a particular notebook, you can set the relevant setting by evaluating:

    CurrentValue[
        EvaluationNotebook[],
        {TaggingRules, "ChatNotebookSettings", "Model"}
    ] = "gpt-3.5-turbo-0301"
Now all subsequent 'ChatInput' evaluations in that notebook will inherit that "Model" setting (which can itself be overridden on a per-cell basis).

Our focus has been on flexible and easily user-extensible support for Personas (for example, developing the Prompt Repository[1]), but we're also planning to add built-in support for additional foundation models, and greater customizability so that new models are easy to add and use from the Chat Notebooks interface.

[1]: https://resources.wolframcloud.com/PromptRepository/

4. We've got a wide range of exciting projects coming down our R&D pipeline, and things are changing rapidly.

In some sense more fundamental that Chat functionality in notebooks is our work integrating LLM-related functionality more broadly into the Wolfram language: e.g. LLMFunction[..], LLMSynthesize[..], LLMPrompt[..], LLMTool[..] (all part of the Wolfram/LLMFunctions paclet[2]), where we're putting the power of LLMs directly in the hands of Wolfram users.

Making LLMs "just" a feature area added to the many existing powerful capabilities of Wolfram is making it easy for ourselves and our users to maximally leverage the new capabilities LLMs provide. So stay tuned, more is definitely coming :)

[2]: https://paclets.com/Wolfram/LLMFunctions

Re: Chat Notebooks

#74

One of the Wolfram/Chatbook developers here. I'm happy to answer questions or accept feedback about the new functionality. We're very excited about the potential of Wolfram technology + LLMs, and we've got a number of interesting projects underway in this area. Stephen's other recent blog posts linked at the top of the Chat Notebooks post provide a nice tour. The Wolfram/Chatbook[1] package mentioned in the post is f…

Will the notebook feature allow branching out from the linear chain of chats or even reverting the chain to an earlier point? It wasn't clear from the post

There isn't a screenshot of this in Stephen's blog, but he does mention[1] the ability to evaluate a single 'ChatInput' multiple times, which preserves all previous evaluations and allows you to tab through them to pick the best one. (You can see a screenshot of what the arrow tab switcher looks like on the left side of this[2] example in the Chatbook README.md).

One of the nice advantages of a notebook interface to LLMs is that you can easily go back and edit and rearrange the chat history in the normal ways that any cell in a notebook can be edited, moved, deleted, etc.

So e.g. if you want to go back to an earlier point, you can simply move your cursor between cells at an earlier position in the "physical" chat history, insert a new chat cell, and you're done.

[1]: https://writings.stephenwolfram.com/2023/06/introducing-chat...

[2]: https://github.com/WolframResearch/Chatbook#generate-immedia...

Re: Chat Notebooks

#75

While I think his notebooks and features look pretty useful, he frames the article around having invented "notebooks" 36 years ago before anyone else, and talks about other notebooks not having features that they've had since 1987. This is a pretty odd context to basically describe a new chat feature. Is this a record that should be set straight? I've used Jupyter since it was IPython notebook, but I don't think that…

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Re: Chat Notebooks

#76

While I think his notebooks and features look pretty useful, he frames the article around having invented "notebooks" 36 years ago before anyone else, and talks about other notebooks not having features that they've had since 1987. This is a pretty odd context to basically describe a new chat feature. Is this a record that should be set straight? I've used Jupyter since it was IPython notebook, but I don't think that…

What's the predecessor with a notebook interface from before 1987? I'm not aware of one. Wolfram loves to claim he invented stuff but this one might actually be true. The Wikipedia article suggests a contemporary in 1987 (MathCAD) but I'm not seeing a Mathematica/Jupyter-style notebook interface before that year. That would seem to have been the year of the notebook interface, and Mathematica 1.0 did come out that ye…

It's a fair claim if you make it for Wolfram Research rather than Stephen Wolfram personally (which is all he ever does).

Jupyter notebooks were inspired by Mathematica notebooks: that's widely known and has been explicitly said in blog posts and elsewhere by the creators of Jupyter. It's no secret… And as the designer and developer of Mathematica notebooks I am flattered and honored that my ideas are now so widely used, even if it is in a product other than the one I wrote myself.

Time for a trip down memory lane. There were several notebook-adjacent products around at that time (1987) but none of them implemented notebooks as we know them today.

At the time I was using Xcode, which had a terminal-like interface that was a plain text document in which you could put all the shell commands you needed to build your app. This could include calls to the compiler, linker, or just any generic shell commands. To evaluate a given command (which could be one or more lines long) you had to manually select the exact range of text you wanted to run, which was kind of irritating. Any output would be placed directly below the input line. Because the document was pure plain text, it had no way of knowing what was input and what was output, or distinguish new output from old. So all the outputs accumulated, and you had to manually select and delete them periodically. It was an improvement over a glass teletype terminal interface, but I thought I could do better for Mathematica (code name Omega at the time).

The solution I came up with was to create a text document that was annotated with “zones” delimited by vertical bars along the right side of the screen (where cell brackets are now). Initially I used different black and white texture patterns on 4 or 5 pixel wide vertical bars. One texture for input and another texture for output.

This immediately gave two huge advantages: first, you didn’t have to manually select the range of a multi-line input. Just putting the cursor anywhere within an input zone and evaluating would evaluate the whole input. Second, because the system was keeping track of what was output, old output could be deleted automatically and replaced with new output.

Initially I called these things zones, but Steve Jobs suggested I use large close-square-bracket symbols instead of patterned bars, and think of them more like cells in a spreadsheet than like zones in a text document. Once you have brackets instead of bars, it’s immediately obvious that you could have larger brackets that encompass two or more cells. So I created cell groups, initially just to group input/output pairs, but of course it’s not a big leap to also have sections and subsections, then different cell types, styles, graphics cells, etc.

These key defining features of notebooks did not exist in any other system at the time, and to the best of my knowledge were not independently developed by other people. All the current notebook systems that share these broad features, definitely including Jupyter notebooks, derive from the original Mathematica notebooks I developed in 1987-8. (There are other styles of user interface, including some used by Maple and Matlab around the same time, that are called notebooks, but they did not share the key features I’ve described. They were and are fine products that I’m sure have both advantages and disadvantages compared to our Notebooks, but unlike our Notebooks, they are not the precursors of Jupyter.)

So can Stephen Wolfram personally claim to have invented notebooks? No, and he doesn’t: he claims that Wolfram Research did, which is true, since I was one of the co-founders of that company, and I invented that form of notebook.

Theodore

Re: Chat Notebooks

#77
post #21

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Theodore Gray, cofounder of wolfram research, was responsible for notebooks I believe. > I wrote the Notebook user interface for Mathematica and led the user interface group for over 20 years. https://home.theodoregray.com/

Wrote or thought of the concept are not the same.

See my long comment on another comment in this thread. I both thought of some of the key ideas, and implemented them.

Re: Chat Notebooks

#78
post #44

One of the Wolfram/Chatbook developers here. I'm happy to answer questions or accept feedback about the new functionality. We're very excited about the potential of Wolfram technology + LLMs, and we've got a number of interesting projects underway in this area. Stephen's other recent blog posts linked at the top of the Chat Notebooks post provide a nice tour. The Wolfram/Chatbook[1] package mentioned in the post is f…

> There’s another important difference too. In an ordinary Notebook there’s a “temporal thread of evaluation” in which inputs and outputs appear in the sequence they’re generated in time I've always found this kinda confusing, and the "evaluate everything above" approach used by the LLM cells much more intuitive, but having the two types of cells behave so differently brings it back to confusing and asking for troubl…

Hoo boy that's a long and complicated question. I think there might actually be an option you can set on cell groups, or perhaps at the notebook level, to force re-evaluation of everything above every time you evaluate a cell (which would be the closest one could do to implementing the same behavior for kernel evaluations as for chat evaluations).

Why do I, who would have been the one to implement such a feature, not even remember whether it exists or not? Because if it does, it's horribly useless. It's just rarely what you actually want, and if you do want to do that, you can simply select the cell group, or command-A select the whole notebook, and use shift-return to evaluate everything. That's something I do regularly, but only when I need to, and it would be horrible if it tried to do that every time. I think it was Maple that tried such an interface. (Except their's was 2-dimensional: you could move equations/definitions around on the screen, and anything below or to the right would use definitions from above or to the left of it. This interface was one of the things that convinced me that this was a bad idea.)

The situation with GPTs is different: they do not have the equivalent of kernel state. It took me a while to believe it's actually true, but they have infinite amnesia: every time you send an API call, or submit a new prompt in their web interface, the model is starting completely from scratch with no state or memory whatsoever of anything that's happened before.

That fact that it looks like you're having an interactive conversation in which it knowns what you said before is an illusion created by the fact that the entire conversation all the way back to the start is re-submitted with every new prompt.

Given that reality, and the way people seem to want to interact with these things, the use of a physical context rather than a temporal one seemed most natural. We did talk about implementing our own temporal context mechanism to artificially make the LLM appear to have time-based internal state, like a kernel, but I personally hated the idea, and we never implemented it.

Now, it's possible that at some point these systems will in fact start having internal state (i.e. you have your own personal LLM running on a wad of gum stuck behind your ear, and as you interact with it it constantly fine tunes its weights, or something). At that point we might regret the decision, but I feel like this whole world is so unstable and rapidly evolving that it made sense for us to do what's right now, and worry about the future, if there is one, during that future.

Theodore

Re: Chat Notebooks

#79
post #22

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Community may not claim to be the first with notebooks; but they certainly seem to think they have something nobody else has with it. Per their website, "The Jupyter Notebook is the original web application for creating and sharing computational documents. It offers a simple, streamlined, document-centric experience." Which, I suppose I can cede that they are among the first "web applications" that do this. But I hav…

They do say what you quote with those words, but I think their intention is just trying to clarify the difference between Jupyter classic and JupyterLab. The Sage notebook predates the Jupyter project by at least five years, but was visually and functionally very similar.

To be fair, I'm not so worried on this. Even if Jupyter was what introduced some (many?) folks to notebooks, that is fine.

I was soured as early advocates were pitching it as way more impressive than it is. With some being proud of themselves for realizing you can put a "pip install" at the top of the notebook, thinking that somehow made it repeatable. I recall senior engineers wanting notebooks to have prod access so that you could deploy from a notebook. And thinking they were making a good practice statement. Ugh.

Re: Chat Notebooks

#80

One of the Wolfram/Chatbook developers here. I'm happy to answer questions or accept feedback about the new functionality. We're very excited about the potential of Wolfram technology + LLMs, and we've got a number of interesting projects underway in this area. Stephen's other recent blog posts linked at the top of the Chat Notebooks post provide a nice tour. The Wolfram/Chatbook[1] package mentioned in the post is f…

What is your sense on how well current AI models can handle mathematics, vs human language? Is hallucinating or inventing info a problem with math too? Do you guys do anything to minimize, mitigate, or solve it? And do you think current AI models will be able to solve as yet unsolved problems in math and physics, perhaps with increasingly large datasets or augments like Trees of Thought or process supervision? Or do…

As someone who has been using GPT-4 and Claude working with Jupyter notebooks the last month, I’ll say that sometimes I am surprised by how well they can understand and segment out a problem. Other times it is obvious I’m asking too much of them, because no amount of clever reframing gets them to a right answer.

A surprise win was as much luck I had talking through an issue and getting correct, functional one-shot time grid and 3D plots including extra complications for the calculation of the axes.

A recent lose was trying to get it to generate a script that could optimize the gravity coefficient in the Reddit algorithm based on target timeframes and historic data. It offered salvageable output, if you pieced together several attempts and reframes, but never pulled it over the finish line.

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