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Licensing is neither feasible nor effective for addressing AI risks

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Re: Licensing is neither feasible nor effective for addressing AI risks

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post #8

Sam Altman is either running for US government soon, or is looking for some post in the UN. just look up how many heads of government he has visited last month

It’s insane to me that he of all people is doing all this talking. He has massive conflicts of interest that should be abundantly obvious

Re: Licensing is neither feasible nor effective for addressing AI risks

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post #9

As a species, we need to commit to the belief that a powerful enough AI can prevent/avoid/vanquish any and all zero-sum games between any two entities. Otherwise we commit to adversarial relationships, and plan to use and develop the most powerful technology against each other.

Pareto improvements don't always exist.

Re: Licensing is neither feasible nor effective for addressing AI risks

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post #2

"If we don't do it, the evil people will do it anyway" is not a good argument. Military applications are a small subset and are unaffected by copyright issues. Applications can be trained in secrecy. The copyright, plagiarism and unemployment issues are entirely disjoint from the national security issues. If North Korea trains a chat bot using material that is prohibited for training by a special license, so what? Th…

I think it's actually a reasonable argument when the only equilibrium is MAD.

Re: Licensing is neither feasible nor effective for addressing AI risks

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post #11
post #8

Sam Altman is either running for US government soon, or is looking for some post in the UN. just look up how many heads of government he has visited last month

It’s insane to me that he of all people is doing all this talking. He has massive conflicts of interest that should be abundantly obvious

> It’s insane to me that he of all people is doing all this talking. He has massive conflicts of interest that should be abundantly obvious

This might also give evidence that OpenAI has interests that it has not yet publicly talked about. Just some food for thought: which kind of possible interests that OpenAI might have are consistent with Sam Altman's behaviour?

Re: Licensing is neither feasible nor effective for addressing AI risks

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post #2

"If we don't do it, the evil people will do it anyway" is not a good argument. Military applications are a small subset and are unaffected by copyright issues. Applications can be trained in secrecy. The copyright, plagiarism and unemployment issues are entirely disjoint from the national security issues. If North Korea trains a chat bot using material that is prohibited for training by a special license, so what? Th…

The economy is a national security issue though. If other countries take over the globalized economy due to leveraging ai, it is destructive. And, after all, the Soviet Union fell due to economic and spending related issues, not due to military maneuvers

>"If other countries take over the globalized economy due to leveraging ai, it is destructive."

I think it would likely be a constant competition rather than take over. Why is it destructive?

Re: Licensing is neither feasible nor effective for addressing AI risks

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post #11
post #8

Sam Altman is either running for US government soon, or is looking for some post in the UN. just look up how many heads of government he has visited last month

It’s insane to me that he of all people is doing all this talking. He has massive conflicts of interest that should be abundantly obvious

It means he's marketing.

He was to ensure lawmakers overlook the immediate danger of AI Systems and focus on only conceptual danger

Re: Licensing is neither feasible nor effective for addressing AI risks

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post #9

As a species, we need to commit to the belief that a powerful enough AI can prevent/avoid/vanquish any and all zero-sum games between any two entities. Otherwise we commit to adversarial relationships, and plan to use and develop the most powerful technology against each other.

If just believing made things happen, w'd have no climate crisis, overpopulation wouldn't be a thing to worry about, and we wouldn't be staring down half the issue we are with trying to bring short-term profit at the expense of long term stability to heel.

Re: Licensing is neither feasible nor effective for addressing AI risks

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post #2

"If we don't do it, the evil people will do it anyway" is not a good argument. Military applications are a small subset and are unaffected by copyright issues. Applications can be trained in secrecy. The copyright, plagiarism and unemployment issues are entirely disjoint from the national security issues. If North Korea trains a chat bot using material that is prohibited for training by a special license, so what? Th…

Why does it have to be NK? Why would adversaries respect IP in the first place? Makes zero sense. I would expect a rational actor to put out some PR about integrity and such, but otherwise, sounds like a narrative that should only appeal to naive children

Because countries that consistently go back on their word lose trust from the rest of the world. Even North Korea is a Berne copyright signatory.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_parties_to_internation...

But in general copyright doesn't apply to governments, even here in the US. The North Korean government can violate copyright all it wants to, its subject citizens can't, though. https://www.natlawreview.com/article/state-entity-shielded-l...

Re: Licensing is neither feasible nor effective for addressing AI risks

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Any laws should be legislating the downstream effects of AI, not the models themselves. Otherwise we will quickly get to a place where we have a handful of government-sanctioned and white-washed “safe” models responsible for deleterious effects on society, with plausible deniability for the companies abusing them.

Legislating around the model is missing the point.

There is no evidence that a runaway artificial intelligence is even possible. The focus on this is going to distract us from the real and current issues with strong AI. The real risks are societal instability due to:

- Rapid disruption of the labor market

- Astroturfing, psyops, and disruption of general trust (commercially and maliciously, both domestic and foreign)

- Crippling of our domestic ai capabilities, leading to cutting edge development moving overseas, and a loss of our ability to influence further development.

- Increased concentration of power and disruption of decentralized and democratic forms of organization due to all of the above.

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