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French tax officials use AI to spot 20k undeclared pools (2022)

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Re: French tax officials use AI to spot 20k undeclared pools (2022)

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Post by sokoloff »

contrarian1234 wrote: post #68
l5870uoo9y wrote: post #11

You can without a doubt take this even further and train it to detect all sorts felonies. The felonies will mainly be simple ones that perpetrated by the lower and middle class. Builder working without a bill? Crosscheck income with an country wide average and their spending history. Nailed. Waitresses working without paying tax? Crosscheck size of establishment with formally employees. Nailed. Of course, this not on…

This degenerates into worse subjective and discriminatory systems Just think of traffic cops on the highway in the US. If you have big tits and a pretty smile you get off with a warning, but if you're black with resting bitch face then you'll get a ticket or maybe even some K9 action Either enforce laws or get rid of the laws. If you don't have a system to track swimming pools then don't tax swimming pools. In the wo…

> If you don't have a system to track swimming pools then don't tax swimming pools.

You’ll be happy to learn that France has moved in the direction to comply with your concern here.

Re: French tax officials use AI to spot 20k undeclared pools (2022)

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Post by olivierduval »

A big part of the "AI" trend is

- be affraid of a big general AI that will destroy humanity like ChatGPT

- recognize pools in garden from sat images

Actually, if the title was only "French Tax service find 20k hidden taxable swimming pools in France, netting €10M", nobody would care... and it would be fair!!! There is no "Intelligence" in this...

Re: French tax officials use AI to spot 20k undeclared pools (2022)

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Post by ShadowBanThis01 »

cinntaile wrote: post #35
darkr wrote: post #22

Earlier quoted context omitted.

From my understanding they paid CapGemini €24M for this project in order to net €10M in taxes.

That's 10M extra per year. You pay property taxes each year.

If it's anything like the big consulting firms' rip-offs in the USA, it might well be every year.

Look at the disgraceful fleecing of our national parks by Booz Allen: https://www.wsj.com/articles/national-park-fees-booz-allen-6...

Re: French tax officials use AI to spot 20k undeclared pools (2022)

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Post by beebeepka »

dinkblam wrote: post #60
hkt wrote: post #44

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Working class and even middle class people in France (and most of the world) definitely don't have swimming pools. No doubt you're right about the general case, though.

Huh? Swimming pools are definitely something middle class people can afford. Just not in a city centre, obviously.

Damn, how much does it cost to have a decent one in France/Netherlands/where you are.

Hope you guys realize you are wealthy.

Re: French tax officials use AI to spot 20k undeclared pools (2022)

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Post by prepend »

mandmandam wrote: post #78
tromp wrote: post #66

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Some countries charge a wealth tax on your total worldwide assets. Here in the Netherlands that amounts to over 1% of total wealth.

I'm not seeing how that applies to OP's false claim that "the rich pay a disproportionate share" of taxes.

Disproportionate can have different meanings. I think that the rich pay most of the income/wealth tax [0], but that’s because that’s where the income/wealth is.

It’s disproportionate by number of persons, but arguably proportionate by income.

[0] in 2020, US, top 1% paid 42% of income tax https://thehill.com/opinion/finance/3894233-how-america-actu...

Re: French tax officials use AI to spot 20k undeclared pools (2022)

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Post by dorfsmay »

contrarian1234 wrote: post #68
l5870uoo9y wrote: post #11

You can without a doubt take this even further and train it to detect all sorts felonies. The felonies will mainly be simple ones that perpetrated by the lower and middle class. Builder working without a bill? Crosscheck income with an country wide average and their spending history. Nailed. Waitresses working without paying tax? Crosscheck size of establishment with formally employees. Nailed. Of course, this not on…

This degenerates into worse subjective and discriminatory systems Just think of traffic cops on the highway in the US. If you have big tits and a pretty smile you get off with a warning, but if you're black with resting bitch face then you'll get a ticket or maybe even some K9 action Either enforce laws or get rid of the laws. If you don't have a system to track swimming pools then don't tax swimming pools. In the wo…

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Selective_enforcement

Re: French tax officials use AI to spot 20k undeclared pools (2022)

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Post by moltar »

l5870uoo9y wrote: post #11

You can without a doubt take this even further and train it to detect all sorts felonies. The felonies will mainly be simple ones that perpetrated by the lower and middle class. Builder working without a bill? Crosscheck income with an country wide average and their spending history. Nailed. Waitresses working without paying tax? Crosscheck size of establishment with formally employees. Nailed. Of course, this not on…

By the way, Canadian tax office has been cross checking with similarities in the category for a long time. Don’t even need an AI or ML for that.

Re: French tax officials use AI to spot 20k undeclared pools (2022)

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Post by prepend »

pyrale wrote: post #36
darkr wrote: post #22

Earlier quoted context omitted.

From my understanding they paid CapGemini €24M for this project in order to net €10M in taxes.

The $10m comes from about 10% of France's territory that was used as an experiment.

So it will likely need $300M in fees to CapGemini to expand to the other 90%.

And the model will need to be rebuilt in 2 years.

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