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Re: Chat Notebooks

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Post by ElFitz »

visarga wrote: post #53
SkyMarshal wrote: post #30

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What is your sense on how well current AI models can handle mathematics, vs human language? Is hallucinating or inventing info a problem with math too? Do you guys do anything to minimize, mitigate, or solve it? And do you think current AI models will be able to solve as yet unsolved problems in math and physics, perhaps with increasingly large datasets or augments like Trees of Thought or process supervision? Or do…

Not even humans with PhD can do physics research without a lab. How could a model with just a few tokens of context window and no body do that?

What would should have a lab have, today, in the context of research on topics like string theory? That a simple office with a desk would not have, I mean.

Genuinely curious.

Re: Chat Notebooks

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Post by ElFitz »

cshimmin wrote: post #41
akiselev wrote: post #7

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Is this a record that should be set straight? It's Wolfram. If they didn't claim to invent something fundamental in the first paragraph, I'd immediately assume the site was hacked or it's a poorly timed April fools joke written by an intern.

Yes, he is a narcissist. Smart guy, cool products, but it's just like how Trump cannot talk about anything without shoehorning in a statement like "I got more votes than any sitting president ever" when being asked about something completely unrelated. My favorite example is when Caltech put out a press release about a young woman got her PhD and nearly beat Wolfram's record for youngest PhD from Caltech. He felt imm…

That sounds quite sad. Just like bragging about high-school. At 36.

Re: Chat Notebooks

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Post by anonzzzies »

fnoof wrote: post #21
DigiDigiorno wrote: post #5

While I think his notebooks and features look pretty useful, he frames the article around having invented "notebooks" 36 years ago before anyone else, and talks about other notebooks not having features that they've had since 1987. This is a pretty odd context to basically describe a new chat feature. Is this a record that should be set straight? I've used Jupyter since it was IPython notebook, but I don't think that…

Theodore Gray, cofounder of wolfram research, was responsible for notebooks I believe. > I wrote the Notebook user interface for Mathematica and led the user interface group for over 20 years. https://home.theodoregray.com/

Wrote or thought of the concept are not the same.

Re: Chat Notebooks

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Post by slowmovintarget »

b215826 wrote: post #25
DigiDigiorno wrote: post #5

While I think his notebooks and features look pretty useful, he frames the article around having invented "notebooks" 36 years ago before anyone else, and talks about other notebooks not having features that they've had since 1987. This is a pretty odd context to basically describe a new chat feature. Is this a record that should be set straight? I've used Jupyter since it was IPython notebook, but I don't think that…

Notebooks are just glorified REPLs, and they've been around since the early days of Lisp.

Every time I see "Notebooks" I think of Literate Programming, shrug, and bump the "Learn Org Mode tangling" priority up a notch.

Re: Chat Notebooks

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Post by hackernewds »

garfieldandthe wrote: post #58

First sentence he claims he invented sth a long time back, but it definitely has prior art. I stopped reading right there. If everybody did that then perhaps he'd learn to be able to express things without immediately being full of himself.

I love Wolframalpha but find his Stephen's ego hard to tolerate.

Re: Chat Notebooks

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Post by toxicFork »

ComplexSystems wrote: post #27
connordg wrote: post #23

One of the Wolfram/Chatbook developers here. I'm happy to answer questions or accept feedback about the new functionality. We're very excited about the potential of Wolfram technology + LLMs, and we've got a number of interesting projects underway in this area. Stephen's other recent blog posts linked at the top of the Chat Notebooks post provide a nice tour. The Wolfram/Chatbook[1] package mentioned in the post is f…

What is the chat context length? Or, to be precise: 1. How long can a single chat input be? 2. If I am using a chat notebook with several previous inputs, when entering some new input below all of those, is it just appending all previous inputs together and sending the entire thing to the LLM? If so, how long can this be? Will it summarize if it exceeds that length? 3. What model is this using? GPT-3.5 or GPT-4 or so…

https://github.com/WolframResearch/Chatbook/blob/ba3e783602f... should help answer some of those - I am on a mobile device so hard to write much, but, OpenAI 3.5 at least

Re: Chat Notebooks

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Post by danjc »

oslac wrote: post #50

Hard to believe people look at this Chat UX with LLMs as a good interface. Look at the amount of blabbering in the example - why?

You realize that blabbering makes OpenAI more money right?

Re: Chat Notebooks

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Post by sellyme »

oslac wrote: post #50

Hard to believe people look at this Chat UX with LLMs as a good interface. Look at the amount of blabbering in the example - why?

About halfway through this blog post the topic of LLM "personas" is mentioned, and while the given examples are mostly just jokes, the actual use case for that would solve the problem you perceive of this UX, in that you could simply use a persona that is more concise.

But to answer the "why?" - likely because this type of AI is a tool that is going to become universal very rapidly, and the overwhelming majority of the population has little to no understanding of the finer details of the technology. So the default persona has been fine-tuned to include the annoying "as an AI language model [...]" disclaimer very frequently, amongst other disambiguations, couched remarks, and clarifications that a power user would not necessarily require.

Re: Chat Notebooks

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Post by [deleted] »

electroly wrote: post #12
DigiDigiorno wrote: post #5

While I think his notebooks and features look pretty useful, he frames the article around having invented "notebooks" 36 years ago before anyone else, and talks about other notebooks not having features that they've had since 1987. This is a pretty odd context to basically describe a new chat feature. Is this a record that should be set straight? I've used Jupyter since it was IPython notebook, but I don't think that…

What's the predecessor with a notebook interface from before 1987? I'm not aware of one. Wolfram loves to claim he invented stuff but this one might actually be true. The Wikipedia article suggests a contemporary in 1987 (MathCAD) but I'm not seeing a Mathematica/Jupyter-style notebook interface before that year. That would seem to have been the year of the notebook interface, and Mathematica 1.0 did come out that ye…

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Re: Chat Notebooks

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Post by jakear »

Plug for my VS Code implementation of the same: https://marketplace.visualstudio.com/items?itemName=jaaxxx.l...

What’s nice with it is both the input and output are modifiable text areas, so you can tune the angent’s example responses to be exactly what you intend. And the on disk format is just the message and parameter JSON, so you can tune your prompt in a live notebook then consume it directly from anything that speaks JSON (most bundlers, for example).

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