A Swedish startup’s bid to build a green rival to AWS

Post by foolswisdom » Fri, Jun 09, 2023, 11:59 PM UTC

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EU is pouring huge amounts of money into development grants, because they want to decrease their dependency on the global markets. Expect GAaaS startups (grant applications as a service) to pop up left and right, offering extremely slick pitch decks, founders in well-fitting suits and ridiculous pie-in-the-sky business ideas. It’s some version of ”build it and they will come”. Granting millions in free money to anyon…

> Over the next two years, it plans to raise €3bn — that averages out as €125m a month for everyone keeping score at home The EU pledged €2bn so it's mostly government funding. Imagine burning €125m in public money every month.

Post by [deleted] » Sat, Jun 10, 2023, 12:03 AM UTC

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It's something most Americans don't appreciate. Half of Europe suffered under or from a totalitarian regime not that long ago and set up their respective barriers. Some people give it lip service in America for political points but they don't understand it on a fundamental level - most of them would turn around and complain about why google street view doesn't work in Germany. I say this as someone who has bounced ar…

Meanwhile the Dutch security services had a truly ridiculous number of wiretaps.

Post by toomuchtodo » Sat, Jun 10, 2023, 12:13 AM UTC

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belval wrote: post #18

Corporate fluff aside, AWS is on track to run on 100% renewables by 2025[1] so the selling is mostly "European cloud" since the green part will be mostly expected by the time they actually ramp up. Competition is always good though. > Studies by 451 Research have shown that AWS’ infrastructure is 3.6 times more energy efficient than the median of U.S. enterprise data centers surveyed and up to five times more energy…

Disclosure: I used to work on GCE. "Renewable" is a broad set of terms. Importantly from your first link on GCP it says: > Google is carbon neutral for our operations today, but aiming higher: our goal is to run on carbon-free energy, 24/7, at all of our data centers by 2030. Carbon-free, 24x7, is a stronger commitment than carbon-neutral which would include using renewable power offsets. Amazon's methodology is at h…

Post by benced » Sat, Jun 10, 2023, 12:23 AM UTC

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Which in itself is a massive selling feature. Deploying a simple app on AWS is about as straight forward as deploying Active Directory in the early 2000s. It is so bad Amazon even launched the Lightsail product line to address the problem. AWS now is basically "you don't know how to run a database, or a KV store, or a network, etc. so here it all is as an API with a markup." Some companies still have talent that know…

It's not at all a selling point. You can do the same on AWS, get an EC2 and install everything there, that's it. The thing is that when you will need to leverage the other services of AWS, they will be there, while you will need to migrate if you're on one of those server providers.

Post by hinkley » Sat, Jun 10, 2023, 12:42 AM UTC

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> When the sun is shining in Spain, then we move the data there, and when the wind is blowing in the Netherlands then we move it there. I'm sure this sounds great for the laymen and politicians, but does it really make sense technically?

No. Nothing beats a truck full of drives for bandwidth, nothing beats fiber for latency, they need both.