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A Swedish startup’s bid to build a green rival to AWS

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Re: A Swedish startup’s bid to build a green rival to AWS

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There is already a grest swedish cloud peovider called GleSYS. They are 100% running on renewable energy and the have an awesome control panel to control your servers. I only wish that they had more hosted solutions like digital ocean. Other than that, there is hetzner which I also use and is very good and probably the cheapest cloud provider out there. Then there is the french ovh.

Oh boy, this one is not cheap: VPS hosting, for example, is 2x..4x than that of DotBlock.

Re: A Swedish startup’s bid to build a green rival to AWS

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For real or are they purchasing dodgy “offsets?”

This is made perfectly obvious by "running on 100% renewables". You can see more details on https://sustainability.aboutamazon.com/environment/renewable... It's when there are mentions of "net zero" that carbon credits are purchased (which Amazon does too, but not for what we're talking about).

They're still pretty squirrelly about the specifics of their commitment, though. In particular, it's not clear if it's hourly accounting (but the fact that they don't say so suggests to me that it isn't), and there doesn't seem to be any discussion of additionality. In other words: it might be that exactly the same amount of renewable generation, and exactly the same amount of fossil-fuel generation, are going to occur with this pledge as would have without, and this is just shuffling some numbers between columns in a spreadsheet.

Re: A Swedish startup’s bid to build a green rival to AWS

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They can give out stock? Being taken for a ride is being taken for a ride.

Basal capitalistic view. What's the most beautiful city you've ever visited and why?

a beautiful retirement home is still a retirement home.

you either grow your own economy or become a vassal to someone else who does.

if europe keeps stagnating and america keeps posting 4% gdp growth, a day will come when the EU can pass as many laws as they like and it won't matter. it'll be like some shitpoor latin american country against united fruit.

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Basal capitalistic view. What's the most beautiful city you've ever visited and why?

a beautiful retirement home is still a retirement home. you either grow your own economy or become a vassal to someone else who does. if europe keeps stagnating and america keeps posting 4% gdp growth, a day will come when the EU can pass as many laws as they like and it won't matter. it'll be like some shitpoor latin american country against united fruit.

"economy" is a meme - both china and the EU realized that this anglo-american system has its weaknesses which can be exploited

The Chinese did it by just taking all the IP they could get as a requirement to sell in their nation

The Europeans did it by requiring companies to abide by their new law or pay out fines(basically a quasitax)

The capitalistic system is an addict to access to markets. Governments setup their various Guardrails to ensure that it can't entirely (i lack a nice word for this verb) their society and peoples.

Re: A Swedish startup’s bid to build a green rival to AWS

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a beautiful retirement home is still a retirement home. you either grow your own economy or become a vassal to someone else who does. if europe keeps stagnating and america keeps posting 4% gdp growth, a day will come when the EU can pass as many laws as they like and it won't matter. it'll be like some shitpoor latin american country against united fruit.

"economy" is a meme - both china and the EU realized that this anglo-american system has its weaknesses which can be exploited The Chinese did it by just taking all the IP they could get as a requirement to sell in their nation The Europeans did it by requiring companies to abide by their new law or pay out fines(basically a quasitax) The capitalistic system is an addict to access to markets. Governments setup their…

china is the world's factory, arabs have oil. what does europe make?

the way things are going, there will eventually be an american company with a market cap greater than the GDP of France or Germany. at that point, they'll be making the real rules.

Re: A Swedish startup’s bid to build a green rival to AWS

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If the concern mentioned in this article of "Americans can view sensitive data on European citizens," they should just go the route China did - it hosts its own version of AWS that's pretty walled off, from what I know.

Well, yeah, that's what evroc is aiming to be.

China has literally AWS, though, not just something similar. All the same services, just with a CCP official looking over your shoulder and a Chinese company operating it.

Re: A Swedish startup’s bid to build a green rival to AWS

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Data sovereignty is a thing and low environmental impact appreciated as well but they will have to find something else to differentiate from AWS (and the other two, I forget the names)

What could that be? Its not easy but on the other hand you dont win the future by doing easy stuff.

Re: A Swedish startup’s bid to build a green rival to AWS

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offset is what its name suggests. sometimes its ok if a company innovates or pays money to others to innovate.

Sure, but the reasons offsets are dodgy is because they actually aren't fungible in the way you're hoping for. Say a paper maker is about to cut down a forest in the US. It buys up the rights to do so for $1M. Then, instead, it sells $1M worth of carbon credits to Amazon (maybe for a premium) for its data center greenwashing and doesn't end up cutting the US forest. But then, secretly, or through some shell company m…

I know that you are just trying to make a point, but just to be clear: no paper maker in US is importing Amazon trees to make paper out of them. That would be exceedingly idiotic from profit-making perspective.

Re: A Swedish startup’s bid to build a green rival to AWS

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Well we already have Hetzner and OVH which are European so just being European does not give them a selling point over others.

Neither are even remotely close to competing with AWS, GCP or Azure in terms of features though, they are more server providers than anything else. And OVH is a dumpster fire.

Which in itself is a massive selling feature. Deploying a simple app on AWS is about as straight forward as deploying Active Directory in the early 2000s. It is so bad Amazon even launched the Lightsail product line to address the problem.

AWS now is basically "you don't know how to run a database, or a KV store, or a network, etc. so here it all is as an API with a markup." Some companies still have talent that knows how to run things efficiently and just need CPU, RAM, and storage.

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