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Bye Bye Ubuntu, Hello Manjaro. How Did We Get Here?

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Re: Bye Bye Ubuntu, Hello Manjaro. How Did We Get Here?

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Post by schemescape »

Gordonjcp wrote: post #202
schemescape wrote: post #57

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I'm also using Alpine, but 100% of binary distributions of software I've tried have failed to run. Even AppImages don't run on Alpine, due to lack of glibc. It's honestly pretty frustrating--though I don't blame Alpine for this! As a mitigation, I use Nix to run anything that isn't packaged for Alpine (e.g. Deno), and that actually works pretty well, but having a parallel set of libraries kind of defeats my whole pur…

You can install glibc on Alpine but it's a shitemare from start to finish. Better to stick to Arch for a very similar user experience.

Yeah, I've found just using Nix on Alpine for glibc-dependent stuff to be the simplest workflow.

Note that, in my case, I'm not using Alpine for the "user experience", but solely because it is the most lightweight distribution (important when running on a machine with 1 GB of RAM). I was able to set up a C programming environment on a Raspberry Pi in only 300 MB... of disk space, not RAM! :)

Re: Bye Bye Ubuntu, Hello Manjaro. How Did We Get Here?

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Post by Gordonjcp »

friend_and_foe wrote: post #221
Gordonjcp wrote: post #217

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Why would I choose Fedora over Ubuntu?

Because Fedora doesn't force Snap on you or try to put ads in your environment. There's also Linux Mint and Debian if you're hell bent on apt. They usually work right out of the box like Ubuntu does.

Ubuntu doesn't put ads in your environment, and I want snap and cannot understand why anyone wouldn't.

If you can't install snap packages, your distro is useless.

Re: Bye Bye Ubuntu, Hello Manjaro. How Did We Get Here?

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Post by friend_and_foe »

Gordonjcp wrote: post #232
friend_and_foe wrote: post #221

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Because Fedora doesn't force Snap on you or try to put ads in your environment. There's also Linux Mint and Debian if you're hell bent on apt. They usually work right out of the box like Ubuntu does.

Ubuntu doesn't put ads in your environment, and I want snap and cannot understand why anyone wouldn't. If you can't install snap packages, your distro is useless.

Well, most linux users and computer users in general disagree with you. I personally loathe snap and will not use software that is packaged only in snap. I use my distro just fine, far from useless.

But you're free to add snap to anything you like. The problem with Ubuntu is forcing it on users, not simply that snap exists.

Re: Bye Bye Ubuntu, Hello Manjaro. How Did We Get Here?

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Post by tlavoie »

bamfly wrote: post #80
cabirum wrote: post #35

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How do you deal with grossly outdated software on Debian Desktop?

A Debian base with something like Homebrew on top, so all the user-facing applications are always up-to-date, would be basically perfect. Which, I know there's a Homebrew port for Linux, but it and its packages seemed rather more bug-ridden than than the Mac version, plus there were way fewer packages, last time I checked, probably because it has to support a whole bunch of underlying distros, Linux's culture around…

Was your VM NixOS, or something else with Nix on top? The latter is a fairly painless way to test-drive the idea without going all-in.

Re: Bye Bye Ubuntu, Hello Manjaro. How Did We Get Here?

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Post by Gordonjcp »

friend_and_foe wrote: post #233
Gordonjcp wrote: post #232

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Ubuntu doesn't put ads in your environment, and I want snap and cannot understand why anyone wouldn't. If you can't install snap packages, your distro is useless.

Well, most linux users and computer users in general disagree with you. I personally loathe snap and will not use software that is packaged only in snap. I use my distro just fine, far from useless. But you're free to add snap to anything you like. The problem with Ubuntu is forcing it on users, not simply that snap exists.

Can you explain what you think is wrong with snap?

Re: Bye Bye Ubuntu, Hello Manjaro. How Did We Get Here?

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Post by squarefoot »

barbariangrunge wrote: post #215
squarefoot wrote: post #208

My actual choices are: Debian for servers and tinkering hardware (including derivatives such as Armbian on non x86 embedded boards), Alpine on small servers and very small/older hardware and Manjaro on my laptops and PCs that I convert to Linux for other people, relatives etc. So far I've been very happy with these three choices, and Manjaro helped a lot to introduce Linux to non tech people.

Why manjaro for those people? What desktop environment?

Many of them were/are old people who were used to Windows XP or 7, rarely 8 and beyond, therefore I thought that moving to a XFCE desktop would have been less traumatic for them, and in the end it worked well. XFCE to me is the right balance of features and snappiness, that's the one I use on all my non CLI machines, although I prefer Debian on my main one, but Debian's XFCE defaults on ugly+impractical settings that would need too much work to repeat at each install. I also want to give them a rolling distro, which on Debian can be risky.

Re: Bye Bye Ubuntu, Hello Manjaro. How Did We Get Here?

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Post by ragingrobot »

Gordonjcp wrote: post #217
ragingrobot wrote: post #207

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Fedora. Boot stick, select the drive you want to install to, click install.

Why would I choose Fedora over Ubuntu?

You didn't ask in your previous comment why you would want X over Ubuntu.

You asked what other distro would get you going as quickly as Ubuntu.

Re: Bye Bye Ubuntu, Hello Manjaro. How Did We Get Here?

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Post by eli_gottlieb »

friend_and_foe wrote: post #183
eli_gottlieb wrote: post #173

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Really? So if I switched back to Gentoo after 20 years away I would find that I could quickly get a nice desktop environment set up, have the NVIDIA graphics drivers properly installed and compatible, log into my office Wifi and detect the office printer, and be able to install Anaconda and get back to training PyTorch models, within a couple of days?

Did you pick gentoo for a reason? Maybe because you don't have a point otherwise?

Because I used to run Gentoo back when I had spare time for taking care of my operating system, and very much enjoyed the customizability and the efficiency of having every binary on my system compiled for my system.

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Post by 6510 »

I don't get how one can have a single computer. The OS is hardly the only thing that can go wrong. I toss a cup of coffee in my laptop the other week. Just switch it off (the lack of a real switch or a plug is wildly annoying here) and leave it off for a good while. Playing with different OS's is also more fun if your life doesn't depend on everything working all of the time.

Re: Bye Bye Ubuntu, Hello Manjaro. How Did We Get Here?

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Post by lgp171188 »

bagasme wrote: post #212

I also made the switch to Debian because I want to get closer to Ubuntu's origin. And when Ubuntu decided to only provide security updates to core applications (and leaving "universe" package users like ImageMagick vulnerable unless they were subscribed to Ubuntu Pro), my migration was the right thing to do. I still do installing snaps (and messing with LXD), though...

Canonical has provided security updates just for the packages in "main" and the security updates for the rest were provided by community maintainers on a best-effort basis. With Ubuntu Pro, Canonical now provides security updates for more packages than it used to, otherwise.

Disclaimer: I work for Canonical but have nothing to do with the distribution or Ubuntu Pro. And I am not speaking on behalf of the company.

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