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Re: Reddark: Website to watch subreddits going dark

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Post by dimmke »

stingraycharles wrote: post #173
Aaargh20318 wrote: post #160

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> 48 hours will not even ding reddit. I don't think the direct losses of the 48 outage will be what matters here. Rumors are that Reddit wants to IPO later this year. This blackout will put the spotlight on two issues: - Reddit is extremely dependent on the goodwill of the community, especially the moderators who provide an essential service for free. - Reddit is out of touch with its own community, and keeps pissing…

> Reddit is extremely dependent on the goodwill of the community Are they? Assuming they all go dark for 48 hours, then come back online, and business continues as usual... wouldn't that somewhat prove that Reddit doesn't have to worry too much? What if certain subreddits go dark for extended amounts of times, multiple weeks, maybe even a month. And then new copycat subreddits pop up, what do you think will happen? R…

There are already reports of some large subreddits shutting down permanently, such as programming humor.

The idea that this action can’t possibly hurt Reddit I keep seeing is amazing to me. It absolutely will hurt Reddit. Even if it’s not an existential blow. Reddit took a long time to get to where it is. Simply saying it can absorb all this like it’s nothing is myopic.

And FWIW, I’m glad most people aren’t as cynical as you, and willing to attempt to change things.

Re: Reddark: Website to watch subreddits going dark

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Post by lewisflude »

Kiro wrote: post #217
lewisflude wrote: post #190

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Most moderators overwhelmingly rely on the utility function you get in 3rd party apps that isn't currently in the official app, so I genuinely believe this is one aspect of the protest. I could be wrong, but I genuinely can't see a situation where this amount of action is purely around seeing ads. Pretty unanimously, 3rd party app developers have said they'd happily show Reddit's ads in their feed, but Reddit never c…

What apps are they using for moderation? It's not Apollo.

I think from doing extremely light research, it seems pretty much _all_ the 3rd party apps are better for moderation than the default client. However it seems unanimously people tend to prefer to moderate on desktop.

https://www.reddit.com/r/modhelp/comments/orqnr2/recommendat... https://www.reddit.com/r/modhelp/comments/t5t9n2/whats_the_b... https://www.reddit.com/r/apolloapp/comments/11w5ky3/a_review...

Re: Reddark: Website to watch subreddits going dark

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Post by IanCal »

yunruse wrote: post #104
commitpizza wrote: post #49

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I've also been using PowerDeleteSuite[0] to delete all submissions and comments, as deleting your account will not delete posts, just change the user to [deleted]. [0] https://github.com/j0be/PowerDeleteSuite/

I tried this for backing up my data but it said it had only ~3k things and then only exported ~150 of them. I wouldn't trust this to work.

I'm going to have to write something to process the data export once the gdpr request goes through.

Re: Reddark: Website to watch subreddits going dark

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Post by waif »

Ma8ee wrote: post #170
waif wrote: post #139

Earlier quoted context omitted.

But should we have a replacement for reddit..? I think we had the model right before the concept of social media came along, which is many small independent communities.

Reddit is many small communities, but all in one convenient place.

But that convenient place is a single point of failure :3

Re: Reddark: Website to watch subreddits going dark

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Post by dt3ft »

about3fitty wrote: post #20

I own the DocuSign subreddit. We are going dark permanently… until Reddit decides to reassign it to reps from the company. This is part and parcel of the hollowing out of the platform.

You're more than welcome to establish on https://flingup.com (still building it).

Re: Reddark: Website to watch subreddits going dark

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Post by seanalltogether »

jacquesm wrote: post #61

48 hours will not even ding reddit. Do it for a month and it will count, assuming reddit doesn't simply re-enable the subreddits. But obviously the mods here are walking a fine line between pissing off their users and getting reddit to bend over. With camarades.com we had a week long outage because of a fire in EV1's DC which then caused the fire marshal to shut everything down for a week (I don't blame them, but tha…

> But obviously the mods here are walking a fine line between pissing off their users and getting reddit to bend over.

I'm actually surprised reddit hadn't introduced more democratic options for controlling subreddits that reach a certain size. There may be a lot of users that really don't care about 3rd party apps and want to keep their content flowing

Re: Reddark: Website to watch subreddits going dark

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Post by dm319 »

It's a shame because of all the social media platforms, reddit is one of the best. There isn't so much grandstanding (I couldn't tell you a single username on reddit), and the ability to rapidly create special-interest subreddits means that discussion revolves around the topic, on the whole.

I left facebook because it became a place where people I knew spent their time curating a false virtual identity of themselves and seemed to become a place to establish social status rather than any meaningful conversation. I've avoided instagram for the same reason. Twitter seemed a good platform for open discussion, but now it looks like a pit of misery.

Mastodon is pleasant and friendly, but I find it hard to talk about the topics I am interested in. Like twitter it is more person-focused. What would be nice is if there is a way to cut across it easily in a more topic-focused way. Hashtags are present, but they don't have the feel of a forum. For positive or negative, there isn't any 'algorithm' on mastodon other than reverse chronology, and I think that does miss out on highlighting interesting topics and replies. Also there is no moderation or guidelines for hashtags, a feature which helped guide people to the right discussions in reddit.

Re: Reddark: Website to watch subreddits going dark

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Post by radarsat1 »

fernandotakai wrote: post #19
deminature wrote: post #3

Pissing off the people doing thankless free labor to keep your subreddits moderated and site functional seems like a poor choice. This is going to be quite an event when it kicks off Monday.

what puzzles me the most is that reddit's reasoning for charging money for their API is that "it's bad that other people are profiting from our work and it's too expensive to maintain without someone paying it". hey, guess what? reddit "profits" a LOT from unpaid work from their moderators. if you wanna charge for API access, you should also pay your moderators since you are profiting from their work.

> it's too expensive to maintain

I would love to hear someone elaborate on this part. The API returns the same information as you get from the HTML interface right, but structured? If the API and the website had the same traffic, then wouldn't the HTML part (which is more complex I guess), but more expensive? If the API disappeared, wouldn't the HTML rendering require the same infrastructure? I'm not clear on how maintaining the API adds much overhead, except maybe compatibility inertia because it's a public interface. But infrastructure-wise?

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