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Google un-bans Downloader app, but developer still mad about “broken” DMCA

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Re: Google un-bans Downloader app, but developer still mad about “broken” DMCA

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Post by pjc50 »

RobotToaster wrote: post #9
jeroenhd wrote: post #2

Google can't exactly fix the DMCA like the dev may want, but its fake appeal process is infuriating. You can appeal the takedown to Google but no human will ever validate that the DMCA notice even makes sense. Filing a counter notice is your only option but it also hands over your personal details to whoever filed the DMCA takedown request for a potential lawsuit. This turns the DMCA mechanism into an excellent doxxi…

I do wonder, if you are in Europe, you would have a claim for violation of artists' "moral rights"?*. One of those legal rights is to be published under a pseudonym or anonymously. *I don't think it's something really recognised in the USA.

> One of those legal rights is to be published under a pseudonym or anonymously.

This seems to conflict with German "impressum" requirements https://www.ionos.co.uk/digitalguide/websites/digital-law/a-...

Re: Google un-bans Downloader app, but developer still mad about “broken” DMCA

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Post by roomey »

mrtksn wrote: post #19
taneq wrote: post #16

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Better expected returns, from the sounds of it, since they’re not at risk of being arbitrarily sin-binned without recourse.

A lemon market can be worse than being banned from a market. When banned, at least you can start over or comply to get back in. When its a lemon market, there's no good market. My observation is that the web has become a lemon market and I'm curious if I'm wrong about it. Also, you can definitely get banned from the web, be it through being banned from the discovery channels or regulators. You can get banned from Twi…

I added a fediverse plugin to my wordpress blog and then just boost it when I post.

I mean, I get like 100 views, but that's ok for me.

The reason I'm saying this is because it feels like for the first time in a long time there is alternatives to "big web"

Re: Google un-bans Downloader app, but developer still mad about “broken” DMCA

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Post by 4pkjai »

busymom0 wrote: post #20
JodieBenitez wrote: post #6

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> After that ordeal I decided to build web apps only. Way to go ! Not everything can be a web app right now, but it's getting closer every year.

With his finally adding support for web push notifications, I think we are pretty much there already. What else is missing that’s needed for most apps?

I think browser push notifications are considered a bit of a failed standard. Lots of browser's don't support them e.g. iOS browsers.

Re: Google un-bans Downloader app, but developer still mad about “broken” DMCA

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Post by 4pkjai »

mrtksn wrote: post #8
4pkjai wrote: post #5

I had an app that was making about $10,000 USD a month. It was taken down by Google because apparently I copied some other developer's iOS app. I asked them to tell me the name of the iOS app they believed I copied. They named the iOS version of my Android app. They basically accused me of copying myself because the Android version was under my company's name while the iOS version was under my name. Google unbanned t…

So are the web apps having better returns?

I built the Android app in 2013, and my best selling web app in 2021. The web app has just gotten beyond the $10,000 USD monthly recurring revenue metric.

About the same really.

Re: Google un-bans Downloader app, but developer still mad about “broken” DMCA

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Post by 4pkjai »

lionkor wrote: post #18
taneq wrote: post #16

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Better expected returns, from the sounds of it, since they’re not at risk of being arbitrarily sin-binned without recourse.

You're absolutely at risk of this. If you're added to the big bad google blocklist that all major browsers use, which of course is automated, anyone visiting your website will get a big red screen saying "this is a scam please run away". This happened to my own gitlab instance, which sees around 5 unique visitors a year, and it has happened to popular websites. The only recourse is to report the issue to google, who,…

Very true, the majority of my new users find my web app through Google search. If Google decided to remove me from their search results I would lose a large amount of revenue.

Re: Google un-bans Downloader app, but developer still mad about “broken” DMCA

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Post by manmal »

4pkjai wrote: post #24
busymom0 wrote: post #20

Earlier quoted context omitted.

With his finally adding support for web push notifications, I think we are pretty much there already. What else is missing that’s needed for most apps?

I think browser push notifications are considered a bit of a failed standard. Lots of browser's don't support them e.g. iOS browsers.

I haven’t tried iOS PWA push notifications yet, but I was under the impression that they should work similarly to the native ones. I agree that the standard is wonky, but if you develop a PWA with specific iOS polish, it might work well.

Re: Google un-bans Downloader app, but developer still mad about “broken” DMCA

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Post by mrtksn »

4pkjai wrote: post #25
mrtksn wrote: post #8

Earlier quoted context omitted.

So are the web apps having better returns?

I built the Android app in 2013, and my best selling web app in 2021. The web app has just gotten beyond the $10,000 USD monthly recurring revenue metric. About the same really.

Thanks, how this compares to the iOS app?

Re: Google un-bans Downloader app, but developer still mad about “broken” DMCA

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Post by manmal »

lionkor wrote: post #18
taneq wrote: post #16

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Better expected returns, from the sounds of it, since they’re not at risk of being arbitrarily sin-binned without recourse.

You're absolutely at risk of this. If you're added to the big bad google blocklist that all major browsers use, which of course is automated, anyone visiting your website will get a big red screen saying "this is a scam please run away". This happened to my own gitlab instance, which sees around 5 unique visitors a year, and it has happened to popular websites. The only recourse is to report the issue to google, who,…

Out of curiosity, does Google also cross-link with the dev‘s Google account? Domain A gets punished, then all other Domains of the dev get punished too? (eg when connected via ads or search console)
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