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Bye Bye Ubuntu, Hello Manjaro. How Did We Get Here?

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Re: Bye Bye Ubuntu, Hello Manjaro. How Did We Get Here?

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Post by midoridensha »

2OEH8eoCRo0 wrote: post #83
hosteur wrote: post #70

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What? A top spec 5 year old (2018) laptop should be plenty fast for most common desktop use. I have a 2016 Dell latitude laying around with Debian 11 on it. It is plenty fast for most things. Even running virtual machines in virtual box with gaming (mostly older Windows games I run in a WinXP VM)

I'm typing this on a top spec 10 year old laptop. I'm saying it's funny to see them feel that they need to defend that choice.

How's the battery life on that 10-year-old laptop?

The big improvement with modern laptops isn't compute power, it's energy efficiency and thus battery life, and also weight. Modern laptops are a lot easier to carry than 10-year-old models since they weigh a fraction as much.

Re: Bye Bye Ubuntu, Hello Manjaro. How Did We Get Here?

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Post by akvadrako »

howinteresting wrote: post #145
mrtedbear wrote: post #59

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Also switched to Silverblue and love it. Ubuntu wasn't especially bad, it was more that Silverblue made so much sense. It fixed the issues I was having with other distros where messiness would creep into my setup over time. I also tried NixOS, but it felt too rigid. Silverblue offered the same benefits of immutability without a loss of flexibility.

Do you do development on it? If so, how do you work around Silverblue's restrictions? Curious about people's experiences.

It's a great design for development since your dev environments are isolated and you can have multiple, without risking breaking your main OS.

I use a combination of toolbox, distrobox, flatpak, docker, homebrew, junest and custom bwrap scripts.

Re: Bye Bye Ubuntu, Hello Manjaro. How Did We Get Here?

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Post by midoridensha »

ffjffsfr wrote: post #72

Never noticed any issues with snap, but truth be told I seldom use it for installing anything. If someone is unhappy with snap why use it? There is no requirement to use snap, usually you can get .deb from somewhere, you can find ppa, or install from source.

>There is no requirement to use snap, usually you can get .deb from somewhere, you can find ppa, or install from source.

Yes, because installing Firefox from source, and updating every few days when new security updates are released, is so easy...

It is possible to switch to a PPA for Firefox, but installing it isn't quite trivial, since Ubuntu really doesn't want you doing it that way. With this, and so many other decisions that Ubuntu has been making in recent years, it's easier to just find another distro better aligned to my interests.

Re: Bye Bye Ubuntu, Hello Manjaro. How Did We Get Here?

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Post by 1337shadow »

WD-42 wrote: post #34

Arch Linux is a meme but also a really solid distro. I'm writing this from a 2+ year old Arch install that has had basically 0 stability issues. "Rolling release" gets an undeserved bad reputation in my opinion, and many arch packages aren't as bleeding edge as you'd expect. Compared to Ubuntu where I'd often have major issues in between releases, I don't think I could ever go back.

Writing from a Arch system I installed on 2017-12-04 and use as my daily driver, I've been moving the hard drive from laptop to laptop over time and the system from drive to drive when upgrading. Prior to that, I had been using Gentoo for years which is also great.

Re: Bye Bye Ubuntu, Hello Manjaro. How Did We Get Here?

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Post by javchz »

midoridensha wrote: post #191
2OEH8eoCRo0 wrote: post #83

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm typing this on a top spec 10 year old laptop. I'm saying it's funny to see them feel that they need to defend that choice.

How's the battery life on that 10-year-old laptop? The big improvement with modern laptops isn't compute power, it's energy efficiency and thus battery life, and also weight. Modern laptops are a lot easier to carry than 10-year-old models since they weigh a fraction as much.

Depends. I have a t430 that with the right distro last like 4 to 6 hours depending on usage.

It's a chunky laptop, but gets me going when I travel to a place where security can be iffy. So looks like an old VCR, and get less attention than an apple logo.

Re: Bye Bye Ubuntu, Hello Manjaro. How Did We Get Here?

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Post by xinayder »

WD-42 wrote: post #34

Arch Linux is a meme but also a really solid distro. I'm writing this from a 2+ year old Arch install that has had basically 0 stability issues. "Rolling release" gets an undeserved bad reputation in my opinion, and many arch packages aren't as bleeding edge as you'd expect. Compared to Ubuntu where I'd often have major issues in between releases, I don't think I could ever go back.

I installed Ubuntu on my local server at home. A few weeks later I had issues with installing packages because Snap was enabled by default. I don't know what was configured wrong on my server but I managed to install 2 versions of the same firefox package from Snap, one using snap and the other using apt.

It broke the whole system so I decided to just remove snaps as a whole.

I run Arch Linux daily since 2019 and the only problems I had that I can remember are setting up dual-GPU on laptops and dealing with dual boot issues - whenever my laptop had a BIOS update on Windows, my BIOS settings would be reverted to the default, so the F1-12 keys acted as fn keys by default (e.g. pressing F5 wouldn't refresh a web page), Windows overwrote the bootloader on my boot partition so I had to reinstall GRUB/systemd-boot every time this happened and it also changed the SATA mode for the laptop which made it impossible to locate the Linux partition on my HDD unless I switched it back to AHCI (default was Intel RST + Optane).

The other issue I recently had with Arch which I think it's more related to the software and not the distro itself is that occasionally my Latte Dock will crash, but that's about it.

Re: Bye Bye Ubuntu, Hello Manjaro. How Did We Get Here?

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Post by Gordonjcp »

friend_and_foe wrote: post #146

Manjaro isn't much better. They tried to force a proprietary office suite on their users and tried their hand at the adware thing too. Stop relying on "user friendly" distros, you haven't needed them for almost a decade, most common distributions run out of the box with no problems most of the time.

You say that, but I can take an SSD out of its wrapper, fit it to a PC, put an Ubuntu USB stick in, and have a fully-functioning machine in five minutes without actually having to interact with it in any way.

What else can you recommend that does that?

Re: Bye Bye Ubuntu, Hello Manjaro. How Did We Get Here?

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Post by Gordonjcp »

2OEH8eoCRo0 wrote: post #61

> My daily driver is a middle-aged Dell laptop, it’s about five years old but because I invested in the highest spec I could at the time, with an i7 of the day and 16 gigabytes of memory it’s still a contender. I like how they need to defend themselves for using a 5 year old laptop.

I'm editing video on a desktop PC older than that (more RAM and a decent graphics card, admittedly).

Re: Bye Bye Ubuntu, Hello Manjaro. How Did We Get Here?

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Post by Gordonjcp »

michaelcampbell wrote: post #132
adhesive_wombat wrote: post #85

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> the AUR is amazing Every time I end up on the Ubuntu machine: "sudo apt install somet " nothing. Urgh. Off I go to Google "install Ubuntu" and visit some third party website for a .deb. If I wanted to circumvent the packaging system by default, I'd use Windows.

Our realities must be very different; I have never had to side-load a .deb. I honestly didn't even consider that tab-completion on apt might be a thing; I usually search with grep for what I want, but I've never not had something be there. I guess my needs are meager.

Proper Binary Chrome (not Chromium), Minecraft, MS Edge, and I'm sure there was something else I needed to install recently where I needed to download a .deb and run "sudo dpkg -i "

Okay, I don't *need* to install Minecraft, but I like it.

Yes, Edge works just great on Linux, probably better than it does on Windows.

I am not a typical Linux user. I have been doing weird and unsupported shit with it since kernel 0.93 and I know what I'm getting into before I unscrew the lid.

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