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Google uses in-person office attendance as part of employee performance reviews

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A friend of mine who is a PM at google was telling me about this the other week. Her job situation sounded so tenuous, in that a lot of it hinged on how cool her manager was with her living situation not being in SF. Also having to ask a friend to swipe her badge because she couldn't afford living in SF.

> PM at google

> couldn't afford living in SF

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This is yet another sign that Google is in ruin …

It's hardly in ruin, has more cash on the balance sheet than, for example, all the help sent to Ukraine, military and humanitarian. It's just that making a shit ton of money ain't actually that fun because your job is basically to constantly patch holes in this gargantuan ship that never stops.

On the same order of magnitude, but not quite. Plus, the second figure is from four months ago.

https://companiesmarketcap.com/alphabet-google/cash-on-hand/....

https://www.usnews.com/news/best-countries/articles/2023-02-...

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After going back and forth between in-person and remote jobs, my conclusion: * Remote work is much better if you know what you're building and "just" need to execute. * In-person is much better if you don't know what you need to build, are trying to "figure it out as you go along", and are relying on the implicit fast feedback loop of standing next to each other. Obvious, right? But I think what I've realize is the d…

Your experience matches mine, where yeah, it could work even in situations where it commonly fails if there was "just" better management... but... well, yeah.

EDIT: and so many of the challenges people are running into now are not new, either - companies were incentivized to make remote work work for two decades pre-Covid, and for a while pundits were all convinced that software jobs were all going away overseas as a result, but despite the salary savings the ROI just wasn't there for all but the most basic of work.

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Heard on Blind: soon HR will be calling engineer parents about missed days in office: "your son is smart, he is just not applying himself".

All of his school work is top notch and delivered on time. He's helpful and kind to his classmates. I'm just not getting a strong senior signal for him. Perhaps it's a behavioral issue?

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I attended a HR conference a few months ago with several Fortune 500 company heads of people, etc. Most of the sentiment in the room was that WFH flexibility is valuable but so is collaborative time in office. Some more 'forward-thinking' leaders were all in on remote though it was clear this was the minority. The leaders talked a lot about pressures from other execs on wanting to go back in-office even though they k…

I think it's relatively well known that heads of people/whatever fancy name HR peeps come up with for themselves are generally sociopathic scumbags, so it's not surprising to me that this was the case.

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post #20

After going back and forth between in-person and remote jobs, my conclusion: * Remote work is much better if you know what you're building and "just" need to execute. * In-person is much better if you don't know what you need to build, are trying to "figure it out as you go along", and are relying on the implicit fast feedback loop of standing next to each other. Obvious, right? But I think what I've realize is the d…

I'm curious if you've considered that there is a pretty major cost difference between the two options? (at least for the company) Would you conclude that In Person is much better , in excess of the additional costs ?

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

>It might be useful to "all be in the room" when brainstorming. Hasn't every study on brainstorming found that it's not a good way to generate good ideas? With having people breathing the same air in a small space believed to be a contributing factor to that.

Yeah high CO2 concentration is probably making people less sharp, but mostly I've heard it's about people being less creative due to consensus-driven thinking Per https://twitter.com/emollick/status/1194301106584616960 : > People in groups self-censor and anchor on each others ideas, reducing creativity. Also can be anti-inclusive when "anchor on each other idea" is a euphemism for that guy repeating what a more shy…

Lots of people are too shy or anxious to break perceived consensus or even just to challenge a "stronger" personality in person. Put them in a chat room and they get all fired up.

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I never cease to be amazed the extent to which companies are trying to squeeze the remote work genie back into the bottle. They're desperate to find ways to make that expensive office space seem justified. "See, look! The people are using it. They love it." (Just out of frame, guns are pointed at the workers.)

I never cease to be amazed at the extent to which knowledge workers want to make "replace us with Eastern Europeans/Latin Americans/Indians" as painless a drop in as possible.

Re: Google uses in-person office attendance as part of employee performance reviews

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On the other hand, Google encourage underperformed employee to show up for improving review score.

If they does well, remote work are acceptable since they has some additional score to be deducted?

I guess it means there will have many underperformance co-workers in office?

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