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Re: Bye Bye Ubuntu, Hello Manjaro. How Did We Get Here?

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Post by pessimizer »

monsieurgaufre wrote: post #26

I see all of this complaining about snaps and the "direction" Canonical takes as a purity constest. Yes, Snaps can be annoying (it isn't in my case). Yes, Canonical is far from perfect. The Snap hate is really overblown. I'm using some to work daily and, apart from the annoying notification that appears far less than before (like once by a blue moon now on my system), they work exactly like .deb files. Every OS suck…

> I see all of this complaining about snaps and the "direction" Canonical takes as a purity constest. Yes, Snaps can be annoying (it isn't in my case). Yes, Canonical is far from perfect.

I don't care about "purity," I care about "annoying." If you acknowledge that some of Ubuntu's business decisions create annoyances, why dismiss people who just want their computers to work as being irrational?

> Every OS suck in their own specific way.

This is the law of averages. It is not a law.

Re: Bye Bye Ubuntu, Hello Manjaro. How Did We Get Here?

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Post by michaelcampbell »

adhesive_wombat wrote: post #85
SweetestRug wrote: post #42

I made the same move a few years ago and honestly never looked back. Manjaro might have its warts, but it works really well, has an active community, and gives almost all the advantages of Arch (the AUR is amazing!) for "cowards" like me. Manjaro "just worked" and it has been extremely easy to roll with the updates since install. I have since migrated other machines to Manjaro happily.

> the AUR is amazing Every time I end up on the Ubuntu machine: "sudo apt install somet " nothing. Urgh. Off I go to Google "install Ubuntu" and visit some third party website for a .deb. If I wanted to circumvent the packaging system by default, I'd use Windows.

Our realities must be very different; I have never had to side-load a .deb. I honestly didn't even consider that tab-completion on apt might be a thing; I usually search with grep for what I want, but I've never not had something be there.

I guess my needs are meager.

Re: Bye Bye Ubuntu, Hello Manjaro. How Did We Get Here?

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Post by pessimizer »

pc2g4d wrote: post #50

Maybe ten years ago I jumped from Ubuntu to Fedora, can't remember why - just wanted to shake things up maybe? This year I installed Mint on my main machine. Contemplating a switch to Debian 12 when it's out - but might not bother, Mint has been really nice. What drove me from Fedora was mostly the need to upgrade every 6 months, and the short support windows.

My only problems with Mint is that I don't care about Cinnamon, and when things go wrong the only forum that will help you with that particular frankendebian is the Mint forum, which is woefully inadequate. If you want to quickly fix what's broken, Arch, Debian, and Fedora are aces, everything else is trouble imo.

Re: Bye Bye Ubuntu, Hello Manjaro. How Did We Get Here?

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Post by pessimizer »

ed25519FUUU wrote: post #40

I read through the comments here and I’m not excited at all about using something other than Ubuntu. Instead I’m solidly confident that macOS as a daily driver is the right choice for a busy developer who doesn’t want to mess with stuff.

As a Debian user who would never buy an Apple product, the amount of time I've spent troubleshooting Macs for coworkers who thought they were a ticket to not understanding how their computers worked is absurd. And the proportion of those failures that lead to an Apple support thread where dozens of people were being ignored or gaslit by Apple support is probably a third.

Re: Bye Bye Ubuntu, Hello Manjaro. How Did We Get Here?

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Post by packetlost »

TacticalCoder wrote: post #130
packetlost wrote: post #74

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Debian is really solid as a server OS. I wouldn't use it for desktop unless you're using ancient hardware. My days of using CentOS as a development workstation are thankfully behind me. I will never use a long-release cycle distro for primary development, the headaches that come with it are not worth it.

> Debian is really solid as a server OS. I wouldn't use it for desktop unless you're using ancient hardware I'm running Debian 12 (since the soft freeze I think) on my newly built AMD 7700X. I wouldn't exactly call that "ancient hardware". Zero issue. No headaches for me. FWIW I'm running Debian since Debian 1.1 (1.1, not 11).

I'm dumb :)

Re: Bye Bye Ubuntu, Hello Manjaro. How Did We Get Here?

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Post by [deleted] »

ptero wrote: post #118
packetlost wrote: post #74

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Debian is really solid as a server OS. I wouldn't use it for desktop unless you're using ancient hardware. My days of using CentOS as a development workstation are thankfully behind me. I will never use a long-release cycle distro for primary development, the headaches that come with it are not worth it.

I use Debian on the desktop with various hardware, both inside the case and outside it (various SDRs and data capture toys) and it works great for me. Just a data point, YMMV.

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Re: Bye Bye Ubuntu, Hello Manjaro. How Did We Get Here?

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Post by kitsunesoba »

bamfly wrote: post #97
RussianCow wrote: post #41

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Anecdata: I've used Arch Linux for several years and it's been probably 3-4 years since I've had any stability issues with it after upgrading. And the last time I did run into problems, it was from bugs in the open source AMD GPU drivers due to how relatively immature they were at the time. Would I use it for a mission critical workstation or server? Probably not. But for daily personal use, it's been completely fine…

> Slightly tangential question: Is there a distro that has a stable "core" (kernel, maybe some userspace libraries) but uses rolling releases for everything else? Ideally, that would probably give you the best of both worlds for a personal machine. I'm aware this isn't exactly what you were asking for—and with the disclaimer that I spent a lot of years as a Linux desktop user, so I do have a great deal of experience…

Homebrew has its issues, but yes I also like the approach of the system and the packages I install living in two entirely separate worlds, with the system being boring and stable and other packages lining up with whatever is currently shipping for Windows/macOS. The extra space consumed is negligible and well worth the turbulence reduction.

Immutable distributions like Fedora Silverblue seem to lean in that direction, though I've never used them personally.

Re: Bye Bye Ubuntu, Hello Manjaro. How Did We Get Here?

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Post by pavon »

packetlost wrote: post #135
TacticalCoder wrote: post #130

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Debian is really solid as a server OS. I wouldn't use it for desktop unless you're using ancient hardware I'm running Debian 12 (since the soft freeze I think) on my newly built AMD 7700X. I wouldn't exactly call that "ancient hardware". Zero issue. No headaches for me. FWIW I'm running Debian since Debian 1.1 (1.1, not 11).

I'm dumb :)

Debian releases every 2 years. Each release gets LTS support for 5 years, but there is no reason you need to use it that long unless you choose not to upgrade.

Re: Bye Bye Ubuntu, Hello Manjaro. How Did We Get Here?

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Post by packetlost »

pavon wrote: post #138
packetlost wrote: post #135

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm dumb :)

Debian releases every 2 years. Each release gets LTS support for 5 years, but there is no reason you need to use it that long unless you choose not to upgrade.

Wait... whaaaaaa!? I thought it was 5 for some reason. Disregard! 2 years is a pretty reasonable lifecycle

Re: Bye Bye Ubuntu, Hello Manjaro. How Did We Get Here?

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Post by speed_spread »

barbariangrunge wrote: post #108
thx-2718 wrote: post #3

Lately I've been running Fedora. Early Ubtuntu & Mark Shuttleworth were a big part of my teens and my first real experience with a Linux Desktop and Philosophy tied to Open Source Software. It's been fun watching Ubuntu evolve over the years and see distros like Mint evolve off of them as well.

I found the installer was lacking something I typically wanted. Disk encryption maybe? Or maybe it’s partitioning or file system options were limited? Can’t recall. It kept me from trying it out full time at one point

The installer having disk encryption is one of the reasons I chose Fedora. I use Kinoite with btrfs over LUKS, FWIW.
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