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Re: r/ProgrammerHumor will be shutting down to protest Reddit's API changes

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This organized “protest” is starting to look like a great move from Reddit to flush the userbase to replace with new users. Field burning is a commonly used (unsustainable) technique in agriculture.

They already had the tools to do that, and extensively tweaked the platform to have two completely separate interface and user base for reddit:

- the homepage, /r/all, the default subs, served on the new reddit page and app

- the obscure and basement level subs that won't ever see more that a few thousand users (shout out to /r/donteatjimmy), probably viewed by people stuck on old.reddit or a third party client

Heavily pushing the former, and further pushing the latter into a dark corner would have sufficed. They'd had little to no backlash, and could have still boasted huge user engagement etc.

They already had the invite only and private sub mechanism, that could have worked to push the old users into communities that don't get advertised, and potentially have them pay for access.

All of that just to say, there was probably many realistic and not so complicated ways to deal with renewing the user base, all of them looking like better business decisions to me. With the current approach, I'm not sure where they'll get new users from, I don't see the TikTokers moving to Reddit whatever they do, and my grandma isn't coming either just because the furry subs have gone away.

Re: r/ProgrammerHumor will be shutting down to protest Reddit's API changes

#142
post #95

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Posted: 6:00 PM Jun 6, 2023 > 107.7M Views You sure about that? https://twitter.com/TuckerCarlson/status/1666203439146172419

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Genius CEOs thought Fed money printer and covid were forever too.

You’re not a genius CEO. If the experts get it wrong all the time (and spend a ton of effort promoting what they “do right” to shape perception) why believe you saying 2 successful vids is a lasting trend?

Social media has exposed there is a depressing number of easily titillated by big numbers rubes in the world.

Lindy effect, Goodharts Law; the last 60-70 years are an outdated af zeitgeist to perpetuate.

Re: r/ProgrammerHumor will be shutting down to protest Reddit's API changes

#143

I’ll be honest, HN is the last place I’d expect to find people who underestimate the difficulty of creating a social network, but every single post about Reddit lately has had one or more comments about how the creators of Reddit clients should “just” make their own backend and take their users with them.

Really? IME most devs are incredibly bad to underestimate the complexity of apps and problem domains where they don't have any experience.

I'd say an app like Reddit is especially prone to this because most decent devs probably could recreate the core UX (subreddits, posts, comments) in a couple of weeks. The really hard part is all the features people don't usually think about (mod and admin tools, for example) plus scaling up to millions of concurrent users.

Re: r/ProgrammerHumor will be shutting down to protest Reddit's API changes

#144
I don't practically see how a popular subreddit can shut down. Corporate can just install different mods. The user base mainstreamed a long time ago, and I would be surprised if there was much on-principle meaningful collective action.

OTOH, taking away someone's beloved app, hitting them with big usability downgrade... that's not just principle, and they could lose those users.

Re: r/ProgrammerHumor will be shutting down to protest Reddit's API changes

#145
post #20

This will make no difference at all. RIF, Apollo and narwhale apps should all team up and create (or partner up) with a reddit clone. All the founders of these apps just seem oblivious to this. Or maybe there's a dead tight contract they signed or something but I'd do it anyway.

> All the founders of these apps just seem oblivious to this. Not oblivious. Read the post by Apollo developer at https://www.reddit.com/r/apolloapp/comments/144f6xm/apollo_w... Relevant excerpt: > Will you build a competitor? Move to one of the existing alternatives? > I've received so many messages of kind people offering to work with me to build a competitor to Reddit, and while I'm very flattered, that's not some…

This strikes me as weird. He could literally call up any VC firm in the world right now and tell them he'll point his endpoints to a new backend if they give him some money. He doesn't even have to be involved in that part of the business. Just let them figure it out (with their own choice team) and he'll re-rig the app to it.

Re: r/ProgrammerHumor will be shutting down to protest Reddit's API changes

#146

HN might as well just run the headline that Reddit is shutting down permanently. All the major subs are either temporarily or permanently shutting down in protest. Do we have a federated Mastodon-esque system to replace Reddit yet? Its the only way to ensure the community survives at this point; Reddit leadership has already proven they only wish to harm both shareholders and the community at large under the guise of…

>Do we have a federated Mastodon-esque system to replace Reddit yet? Yes - it's all the sites that people link to on reddit :-P For the record, there's something happening to all the big Social Media sites over the last few years IRC/Freenode - dead, replaced by Libera, but not nearly as vibrant as its heyday Twitter - dying, replaced by Mastodon, Bluesky, and Instagram, none of them really capture the magic that was…

I'd add that Discord is also a modern IRC / Freenode. That seems to be one of the primary places people are flocking as they abandon most current social media sites.

Re: r/ProgrammerHumor will be shutting down to protest Reddit's API changes

#147

I’ll be honest, HN is the last place I’d expect to find people who underestimate the difficulty of creating a social network, but every single post about Reddit lately has had one or more comments about how the creators of Reddit clients should “just” make their own backend and take their users with them.

I mean, it's 2023. Web-based simple threaded conversation platforms should be absolutely trivial to develop/clone/deploy. I'm not convinced building a Reddit is hard, at all. But getting a mass adoption of users to make it worth using is. Which is why I'm continually surprised some startup+VC combo doesn't just build it and then pay the top 1000 broad-to-niche influencers out there to sign up and start relentlessly h…

Serving nearly-consistent content and ads to 1 Billion people worldwide is fucking hard!

Re: r/ProgrammerHumor will be shutting down to protest Reddit's API changes

#148
post #131
post #3

I decided to use this as a good excuse to delete Reddit. I find myself going to it too often, and scrolling for too long, and afterwards I feel worse about the direction of humanity and down about the world. I’m not getting anything positive from it so for my own mental heath I’m deleting the app.

Early this year, I added a blocklist for Reddit on my PC and deleted the app. I did it upon the realization that for me: 1. It was a time waste. It was entertaining, but more often than not, it wasn't useful or helpful at all. Classic short-term gratification. 2. Various issues with how it was run started to frustrate me. Advertising appearing as genuine posts, poor moderation / mod abuse. Also seemed to be a conflic…

What’s the best way to block it on mobile?

Re: r/ProgrammerHumor will be shutting down to protest Reddit's API changes

#149

HN might as well just run the headline that Reddit is shutting down permanently. All the major subs are either temporarily or permanently shutting down in protest. Do we have a federated Mastodon-esque system to replace Reddit yet? Its the only way to ensure the community survives at this point; Reddit leadership has already proven they only wish to harm both shareholders and the community at large under the guise of…

HN — Mastedon is like “fetch”: it’s not going to happen. Does no one on this site understand there are an infinite number of easier ways to be social than a engineers dream of a self serve social network?

Re: r/ProgrammerHumor will be shutting down to protest Reddit's API changes

#150

I’ll be honest, HN is the last place I’d expect to find people who underestimate the difficulty of creating a social network, but every single post about Reddit lately has had one or more comments about how the creators of Reddit clients should “just” make their own backend and take their users with them.

The hard part of building a tech company isn't the tech, its users, staff, and money. These 3rd party apps have the first two, and that would be enough to convince someone to find the third for them.

The only limiting factor is ambition. And on a site with quite a few people from the startup world who see that the only thing in the way is the technical difficulty of building the service then it shouldn't be unexpected that people are saying they should take their users off to a new platform they build themselves. Because that's the kind of crazy thing that startup people think about.

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