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Could seaweed be the 'fastest and least expensive' tool to fight climate change?

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Re: Could seaweed be the 'fastest and least expensive' tool to fight climate change?

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Betteridge's law of headlines is an adage that states: "Any headline that ends in a question mark can be answered by the word no."

gregschlom's law of headlines on HN: "Any headline on Hacker News that ends in a question mark will have a comment mentioning Betteridge's law of headlines"

I'm not joking. It's been done so often that it doesn't add much to the conversation at this point.

https://hn.algolia.com/?dateRange=all&page=0&prefix=false&qu... - over 2,000 hits.

Re: Could seaweed be the 'fastest and least expensive' tool to fight climate change?

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post #7

No (to the question in the title), this is someone trying to sell a magic solution. You do not need to fight climate change, we need to stop it. And the first thing that needs to stop is the greed of the superrich. Unless the seaweed gives a conscience to the superrich then no, seaweed cannot help.

How do you stop it? I don't think the greed of the super rich is per say the problem. Perhaps there needs to be a shift in economic incentive

Yes. A revenue-neutral carbon tax (often called "Carbon Fee & Dividend") is a politically feasible, fast, efficient way to reduce carbon emissions.

To drive emissions down to zero, without massive economic disruption, start small and increase the tax gradually every year.

Coupled with a "border adjustment" (a tariff on goods coming from countries to compensate if they have less aggressive climate policies) you can solve the problem of industries being outsourced to countries where GHG pollution is cheaper, and simultaneously put pressure on those countries to implement similar policies.

Re: Could seaweed be the 'fastest and least expensive' tool to fight climate change?

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post #7

No (to the question in the title), this is someone trying to sell a magic solution. You do not need to fight climate change, we need to stop it. And the first thing that needs to stop is the greed of the superrich. Unless the seaweed gives a conscience to the superrich then no, seaweed cannot help.

How do you stop it? I don't think the greed of the super rich is per say the problem. Perhaps there needs to be a shift in economic incentive

Easier to blame the 1% for 99% of the problems.

Re: Could seaweed be the 'fastest and least expensive' tool to fight climate change?

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post #15

No (to the question in the title), this is someone trying to sell a magic solution. You do not need to fight climate change, we need to stop it. And the first thing that needs to stop is the greed of the superrich. Unless the seaweed gives a conscience to the superrich then no, seaweed cannot help.

> You do not need to fight climate change, we need to stop it. The correct answer is neither; we need advanced technologies and material wealth that will allow us to master the environment more robustly. Consider that in the past 50 years of climate change, the human population more than doubled yet the number of deaths from climate-related causes dropped to one-third[0], mainly due to the growing wealth of developin…

We already have the technology.

Re: Could seaweed be the 'fastest and least expensive' tool to fight climate change?

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post #15

No (to the question in the title), this is someone trying to sell a magic solution. You do not need to fight climate change, we need to stop it. And the first thing that needs to stop is the greed of the superrich. Unless the seaweed gives a conscience to the superrich then no, seaweed cannot help.

> You do not need to fight climate change, we need to stop it. The correct answer is neither; we need advanced technologies and material wealth that will allow us to master the environment more robustly. Consider that in the past 50 years of climate change, the human population more than doubled yet the number of deaths from climate-related causes dropped to one-third[0], mainly due to the growing wealth of developin…

We also extincted broad swaths of our ecosystem while keeping the rich westerners well air-conditioned.

So… you know. No free lunch.

Hope we, as biological creatures borne of a billion-year old evolutionary process, don’t actually need the system that birthed us (for some reason).

Re: Could seaweed be the 'fastest and least expensive' tool to fight climate change?

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No (to the question in the title), this is someone trying to sell a magic solution. You do not need to fight climate change, we need to stop it. And the first thing that needs to stop is the greed of the superrich. Unless the seaweed gives a conscience to the superrich then no, seaweed cannot help.

Okay cool, so what is your timeline for how long will it take to stop humans from being greedy? You realize any solution that is "rich people stop being greedy" is no solution at all?

What do you think nation states are? They’re systems to prevent “most muscular and monstrous man wins everything.”

We build such systems all the time and they do appear to be stable. The modern world couldn’t exist without their success.

Re: Could seaweed be the 'fastest and least expensive' tool to fight climate change?

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post #13
post #10

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Which would imply there's at least one tool that is either faster or less expensive, which would be good news, wouldn't it?

Nukes. Already paid for, so no more cost. Faster, should stop most emissions in a few weeks, after the fires go out.

Isn't apparent that a Nuclear Winter would actually occur. Now if we could nuke the moon and cause a dust ring to form ...

Re: Could seaweed be the 'fastest and least expensive' tool to fight climate change?

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post #9

Betteridge's law of headlines is an adage that states: "Any headline that ends in a question mark can be answered by the word no."

Guess I have to write an article called "Does the title of this article prove Betterigde's Law?"
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