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Nanoplastic Ingestion Causes Neurological Deficits

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Re: Nanoplastic Ingestion Causes Neurological Deficits

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That might explain why some modern children are so stupid. I have young relatives who are just gone. There’s nothing in their heads. It’s like watching a fly bash into a window.

It's fun to think about what society would be like if all those "kids these days" denigrations, which are thousands of years old, were objectively true. The ancient greeks must have had secret fusion reactors and AGI that our blithering idiot archaeologists have yet to uncover. Our hypersonic aircraft are no comparison to the sumerians' near-lightspeed craft. Humanity has been on a downhill trajectory since the phoenicians figured out gravity field manipulation. Secrets lost to time along with our IQ points.

Re: Nanoplastic Ingestion Causes Neurological Deficits

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We've got sets of Indian brass, Korean steel, and Japanese lacquered wood food containers that we use in addition to ceramics and glass. The glass chips, and once it does we tend to avoid using it for food. Because all of these things last or compound over a lifetime, it's only expensive to be healthful if you wait.

Isn't lacquer technically a sort of plastic? I could find images for Indian Brass Container to learn what it is. But I didn't find anything conclusive for Korean steel.

Lacquer is resin from trees, not plastic.

I don't know if it's better for you than plastic or really anything about its chemical composition, but it's not plastic.

Edit: After reading more, there is an acrylic lacquer that was developed in the 1950s that contains plastics, but outside of that, normal or traditional lacquers are typically biological in origin.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lacquer

Re: Nanoplastic Ingestion Causes Neurological Deficits

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My mum when I was a kid in the 90s: we don't store things in plastic, glass or ceramic only Me when I was a kid in the 90s: mum is a f'ing idiot wtf is wrong with plastic this hippy shit is dumb My mum 2020s: so plastic huh? Me 2020s: ugh.

What are the concerns about the “plastic” carpets in American homes?

They are pretty much everywhere. They shed fibers all the time. We’re in contact with it all the time.

Re: Nanoplastic Ingestion Causes Neurological Deficits

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I personally try to avoid canned drinks and foods to avoid metal poisoning. I typically buy two liter sodas in plastic bottles and avoid softer plastics. Styrofoam cups and other styrofoam food containers are awful. If you get hot food in a styrofoam go box, the box is often visibly marked by contact with hot food and you can smell it and taste it.

It's also potentially a reason to switch to an electric vehicle -- to avoid exposure to gas fumes while refueling your vehicle. (Or you can be "an extremist nutter" like me and give up your car entirely.)

Re: Nanoplastic Ingestion Causes Neurological Deficits

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Coca-Cola cans, and probably many others, have plastic coating with BPA on the inside. But that doesn’t matter much in comparison, because PFAS (corrected) are in the product, allegedly: https://amp.theguardian.com/environment/2023/jan/19/simply-o...

It's not BPA anymore, but something very similar. Also, PFAS is not the plural of PFA - those are actually different classes of chemicals.

Thanks for the correction!

Re: Nanoplastic Ingestion Causes Neurological Deficits

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Not sure it matters since there's plastic in all the food and drinking water anyway. There's no way to avoid ingesting plastic any more. You could maybe reduce it a bit, that's all.

So don’t try and minimize it altogether because you’re getting some elsewhere? This isn’t good logic.

Eating food out of a plastic container isn't going to increase your microplastics intake (by enough to matter). Those kinds of plastics are too stable to be a problem in that regards. Even if you left your food in them in the fridge for days.

The microplastics problem is a pollution problem. When you're done with any given plastic thing you throw it out. Some tiny percentage gets recycled, sure but for the most part nearly all plastics get trashed.

The trashed plastic breaks down into microplastics slowly over time and those microplastics are very mobile and easily wash or blow away if they're exposed to sun. This means they end up in rivers, lakes, streams, and large bodies of water (e.g. the ocean). From there they diffuse and get inadvertently eaten by sea creatures which are then eaten by larger sea creatures and ultimately end up concentrating inside the larger species that we eat.

It's not just the fish though; it ends up in our water supplies which are used to wash our other foods and ourselves. Basically, microplastics are currently so pervasive in our water supplies that every product made for human consumption that exists has microplastics in it.

The solution isn't to do away with plastics entirely it's to use different kinds of plastics that don't become long-lived microplastics. For example, polylactic acid (PLA). It's not suitable for all purposes but it's perfectly fine for something like a frozen food container or even the thin plastic film that seals it up.

The only reason we're not using such plastics (in the places where they can be used) is they're not as cheap as the bad stuff. We need regulations that require single-use products use plastics that don't break down into long-lived microplastics.

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It would be worth checking that the concentrations of microplastics used in this study are of a similar concentration to those found naturally. Otherwise the research is not very meaningful.

Tap water contains about 1.67–2.08 ug/ml of nanoplastics on the larger side (https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/S00139...)

So this article was working with concentrations 10x larger on mice (usually worse ability to filter). Beyond that, they admitted that microplastics did not induce an effect which is most of the plastics found in the ocean, etc...

Re: Nanoplastic Ingestion Causes Neurological Deficits

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You would poop the glass though

No, I think eating glass leads to internal bleeding and could be very bad for you.

I remember being really scared about it and then I vaguely remember some doctor saying most stuff will go through stomach just fine, and that included glass.

Memory is fuzzy and I'm definitely not a doctor, so please double check.

I'm assuming if you are eating glass, it's a small enough piece that you won't notice, it can be big, you'll notice in your mouth.

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