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> Seamlessly? How is Electron not seamless? Because it duplicates the overhead of an entire browser (and Chromium at that) rather than the overhead of a single webpage in an already-open browser?
Sure but that has nothing to do with the idea of being seamless. Seamlessness is a UX concept, not a memory/resources concept.
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The 90-s have very little to show for, especially in the area of Web projects and standards, the testament of the failure of the latter is precisely the required scale of "the needful"
Thankfully many old timers aren't frozen in the 90's, we rather use our experience to write proper Web applications instead of being ChromeOS advocates. Can't say the same for the Electron generation.
when i reference things from the 90s, it is far from my being stuck there. it is because i have the living memory of the pain from that time, and can see it being repeated by the people that have no living memory of that time. i lived that pain once, i don't need to relive it because someone else hasn't and is too stubborn to look at the history and not repeat it.
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Sorry to be dimissive, I know it's good intentions and all, but please don't do that. We don't need any more unsolicited banners or prompts. See it's one reason native apps are so much preferred over websites. Websites always have banners and whatnot, good apps don't do these things.
Fully agree. I'd say that there should be an agreed-upon way for users to opt out of any kind of obnoxious banner/"dickbar" but it'd probably be obeyed about as often as the "do not track" flag was.
floppy disk? what's that? why would I ever click that?
If so, good bye electron.
When iOS was brand new, they were talking up web apps because they needed the content. When the platform got established, Apple could tighten the screws and drive developers towards native apps by not supporting the latest web features.
Now that they have an upstart platform again, they’re once more interested in PWAs, WebXR and so forth — until the day comes that visionOS is established enough.
Of course this was always Microsoft’s playbook too, as we saw most egregiously with Internet Explorer 6 not receiving any updates after MS concluded they had won.
> Let web apps programmatically trigger the Add to Dock flow, since the Share icon and the File menu install ways are hard to discover. Please, for the sake of all decency, no! We do NOT need new ways for web sites to badger users. (Sorry to focus on this one thing. This was a great and informative article, with 99% good ideas. I just had a visceral reaction to the idea of yet more ways for sites to harass me as a us…
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> FileSystem API is not supported yet. Nor is drag-and-drop or LaunchHandler Drag-and-drop as in, not handled any better than current web apps? As for the other two, I hope they never are. My hope is that this feature is for process isolation for things that may be open all of the time anyway and not have native alternatives: project management tools, social sites, media sites. I don't want developers to build web ap…
It is so weird hearing people hope Safari doesn't implement feature X, Y or Z simply so users and developers don't have a choice. If you don't want to use or support something don't, but you have no idea what is best for me.
See: https://www.nytimes.com/2022/07/08/business/korea-internet-e... as an example of something that should never have been implemented but is forced on a populace and becomes an anchor to an entire society.
You're free to do what you want but I don't want to be stuck with the consequences.
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> Seamlessly? How is Electron not seamless? Because it duplicates the overhead of an entire browser (and Chromium at that) rather than the overhead of a single webpage in an already-open browser?
Sure but that has nothing to do with the idea of being seamless. Seamlessness is a UX concept, not a memory/resources concept.
Usable PWAs on macOS is great news. At the same time, I can’t help think Apple’s sudden interest in making web apps more useful has to do with visionOS. When iOS was brand new, they were talking up web apps because they needed the content. When the platform got established, Apple could tighten the screws and drive developers towards native apps by not supporting the latest web features. Now that they have an upstart…
Of course it does.
But that has nothing to do with the cynical conspiratorial manipulation you then go on to describe.