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Re: France legalizes remote camera and microphone activation in smartphones

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Post by StingyJelly »

donkeyd wrote: post #45
krzys wrote: post #24

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Those privacy-breaching bills are for the safety of the government, not citizens.

Having worked in law enforcement, seeing sentiment like this is just so depressing. On one side it's people saying things like this, while on the other side a large part is complaining about law enforcement not doing enough to combat cyber crime. These things go hand in hand. If criminals can have limitless access to new technologies, but LE gets no new ways of finding criminals using new technologies, we might as we…

Problem is that trough laws like those, criminals will be getting the power as well. Here are multiple options how to implement this law, all are bad:

Mandated backdoors on the phones sold here - worse security for everyone except the criminals who will import their phones from abroad.

Hackers for hire like NSO group being paid by tax money for dveloping exploits - will be abused by everyone who can pay.

Government developing their own exploits - incredibly expensive and risky.

That all assumes criminals and LE are separate entities but in reality criminals will probably get access to those powers in some capacity, be it trough a breach, rouge employee or a corrupt leadership structure. On top of that, even in EU there are countries like Slovakia that were and after next elections likely will be ruled by parties with close connections to mafia.

Re: France legalizes remote camera and microphone activation in smartphones

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Post by impyamin »

asne11 wrote: post #89
impyamin wrote: post #19

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Lel Yeah with our current president you are considered a terrorist threat the moment you shitpost on twitter so no risk at all

Is the gov kicking down doors for shit posters?

No it was an exaggeration, but for real though, people are placed in GAV (temporary incarceration) only because they are present during street protest, with the pretext of them being dangerous political opposition so you can guess the possible abuse

ps: there has been cases in France of people being sent to prison because of harassment on social networks though

Re: France legalizes remote camera and microphone activation in smartphones

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Post by sebstefan »

soco wrote: post #35
rjzzleep wrote: post #21

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Parliament certainly didn't stop Macron from pushing threw the pension reform against the will of virtually everyone. It's a pity that most of the media doesn't cover the legitimate concerns of the french population.

The french population is indeed concerned by the increasing of the pension age, but not concerned at all with the price paid by their own children for not increasing it. So I wouldn't call the concerns of the population necessarily legitimate, as present and pressing as they might be.

People online assume too much with the french pension reform

Government reports forecasted a possible deficit that was in the ranges of €10bn in 10+ years, which is tiny, along with other predictions that put it lower and even predicted profits. Uncertainty's equal across any of them

Many alternatives were brought up by either the opposition and various economists; reducing pensions, increasing dues, pointing out new/other sources of income, ... many of them coming from right-wing political commentators. It was a trainwreck across the board. Then the government politely declined all suggestions without much in the way of arguments and pushed the reform over the parliament

You don't get all the major unions, including the ones that are basically carpets, to call for a strike for a pension reform if it's legitimate. Nor do you get 93% of the working population to disagree with you. We have pension reforms every 5 years or so and while they usually cause some forms of strikes, we never get 3+million people in the streets for something like that. If you were french you'd be pissed off. But you're not, so you just followed the story through the prism of foreign news and they often can't afford to go super in-depth

Re: France legalizes remote camera and microphone activation in smartphones

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Post by stef25 »

wkat4242 wrote: post #56
DirectorKrennic wrote: post #36

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Delinquency is probably translated from délinquance , which is generally understood to mean thuggery/small crimes.

So to use these serious spy powers all they need is suspicion of pickpocketing? :O Or am I oversimplifying. Please say so.

It's probably referring to acts carried out by youngsters in the banlieus (low income areas of France's big cities). Stuff like ambushing police and fire brigades for lolz, partaking in protests they care nothing about to just loot and burn, low/mid scale drug dealing etc.

Police has real problems dealing with these types cause there are so many of them together and they quickly scurry back in to their impenetrable tower blocks.

Re: France legalizes remote camera and microphone activation in smartphones

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Post by stef25 »

hejcloud wrote: post #88
donkeyd wrote: post #45

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Having worked in law enforcement, seeing sentiment like this is just so depressing. On one side it's people saying things like this, while on the other side a large part is complaining about law enforcement not doing enough to combat cyber crime. These things go hand in hand. If criminals can have limitless access to new technologies, but LE gets no new ways of finding criminals using new technologies, we might as we…

LE should have tools to enforce the law, no question. However, there's a huge difference between (a) setting up means for spying on 100% of the people and (b) developing operational excellence in LE to be able to follow individual cases. Usually the path of (a) is followed because of mental laziness of politicians, assumed cost-saving, lobbying by some companies who want to sell their LE Big Data product and BS megal…

Citizens aren't being criminalised ...

> setting up means for spying on 100% of the people

These means have existed since for ever. Phone taps have been around for as long as phones have existed, way before they became smart. Letters can be opened, everything can be intercepted. Even "pizzino".

Re: France legalizes remote camera and microphone activation in smartphones

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Post by sebstefan »

wkat4242 wrote: post #56
DirectorKrennic wrote: post #36

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Delinquency is probably translated from délinquance , which is generally understood to mean thuggery/small crimes.

So to use these serious spy powers all they need is suspicion of pickpocketing? :O Or am I oversimplifying. Please say so.

You're overcomplicating, délinquance is code for crime while young / crime while arab

Re: France legalizes remote camera and microphone activation in smartphones

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Post by hejcloud »

stef25 wrote: post #95
hejcloud wrote: post #88

Earlier quoted context omitted.

LE should have tools to enforce the law, no question. However, there's a huge difference between (a) setting up means for spying on 100% of the people and (b) developing operational excellence in LE to be able to follow individual cases. Usually the path of (a) is followed because of mental laziness of politicians, assumed cost-saving, lobbying by some companies who want to sell their LE Big Data product and BS megal…

Citizens aren't being criminalised ... > setting up means for spying on 100% of the people These means have existed since for ever. Phone taps have been around for as long as phones have existed, way before they became smart. Letters can be opened, everything can be intercepted. Even "pizzino".

Before "everything digital" it was logistically barely possible to spy on 100%. At times of GDR a mayor of the Stasi had resources to maybe wire-tap 50 people. Letters can only be opened for X amount of people. Now they have the possibilities to do 100%. That's a big difference.

Re: France legalizes remote camera and microphone activation in smartphones

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Post by jacknews »

asne11 wrote: post #89
impyamin wrote: post #19

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Lel Yeah with our current president you are considered a terrorist threat the moment you shitpost on twitter so no risk at all

Is the gov kicking down doors for shit posters?

no but you'll be added to the database.

Re: France legalizes remote camera and microphone activation in smartphones

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Post by jacknews »

donkeyd wrote: post #45
krzys wrote: post #24

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Those privacy-breaching bills are for the safety of the government, not citizens.

Having worked in law enforcement, seeing sentiment like this is just so depressing. On one side it's people saying things like this, while on the other side a large part is complaining about law enforcement not doing enough to combat cyber crime. These things go hand in hand. If criminals can have limitless access to new technologies, but LE gets no new ways of finding criminals using new technologies, we might as we…

LE should be given whatever tech they need, to serve, protect, etc.

But not the ability to compromise the tech everyone else uses.

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