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Re: The Nova Kakhovka Hydroelectric dam in Ukraine has been blown open

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Post by _kbh_ »

Chief180A wrote: post #336

Think for yourselves look at facts Are there pictures of an explosion? Seems like there should be with all the satellites and drones in the area. The Crimea region depends much more on the water from that dam than the Ukraine does for agriculture and domestic water sources. Who lied to us about the Russian Pipe line being blown up saying Putin did it and now we know that the Ukraine did it of course with the knowledg…

> Think for yourselves look at facts Are there pictures of an explosion? Seems like there should be with all the satellites and drones in the area.

Yes there is there’s even a video of it.

> Ukraine offensive had started and had been stopped.

The offensive hasn’t even started those tracts of land Russia is losing to Ukraine are from _probing attacks_.

Re: The Nova Kakhovka Hydroelectric dam in Ukraine has been blown open

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theironhammer wrote: post #307
_kbh_ wrote: post #190

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Russia will never give up crimea. In fact it 'always' practically belonged to Russia. Their most important naval base is there for decades. Maybe they shouldn’t have built their most important naval base in a foreign country then proceeded to invade that country lol.

You should look up the history of Crimea.

> You should look up the history of Crimea.

History doesn’t give them a right to take what they feel like that.

Just because Putin is salty that Stalin made Crimea part of the Ukrainian SSR doesn’t allow him to reverse it.

Re: The Nova Kakhovka Hydroelectric dam in Ukraine has been blown open

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Post by ptnxlo »

spaceheater wrote: post #312
vlovich123 wrote: post #124

Earlier quoted context omitted.

“Collapsed due to damage“. Looks pretty clearly like an explosion. Russian state news agency. The fine folks that bring news reports like “local nerd found hitting himself by school bully”

US 'cannot say conclusively' what happened in dam breach - Kirby Yeah right. lol. And that is a clear signal that Ukraine was behind it. But as always the warmongers will try 4d chess to convince you Russia did it, like it blew nord stream, attacked crimea bridge, and shot missiles into Poland.

This is by far hilarious and sad. You have an interesting way to tweak facts and transform the narrative.

You could make a career out of it (if you haven't done so).

(Zero value reaction to a comment with no value whatsoever)

Re: The Nova Kakhovka Hydroelectric dam in Ukraine has been blown open

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Post by lisasays »

_kbh_ wrote: post #325
theironhammer wrote: post #306

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Precisely. Ukraine taking back Crimea is pure fantasy. Russia would launch nukes rather than give it up.

> Precisely. Ukraine taking back Crimea is pure fantasy. Russia would launch nukes rather than give it up. The idea that Russia will launch a single nuke is fantasy, they haven’t even tested one in over 80 years.

They haven’t even tested one in over 80 years.

This is bonkers of course.

The idea that Russia will launch a single nuke is fantasy

Not at all, unfortunately. It has always been and remains a significant card for them to play.

Re: The Nova Kakhovka Hydroelectric dam in Ukraine has been blown open

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Post by hackandthink »

_kbh_ wrote: post #343
theironhammer wrote: post #307

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You should look up the history of Crimea.

> You should look up the history of Crimea. History doesn’t give them a right to take what they feel like that. Just because Putin is salty that Stalin made Crimea part of the Ukrainian SSR doesn’t allow him to reverse it.

"Decree of the Presidium of the Supreme Soviet "On the transfer of the Crimean Oblast". In 1954, the Soviet leadership, which included Khrushchev, transferred Crimea from Russian SFSR to Ukrainian SSR."

(Stalin died already in 1953)

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nikita_Khrushchev#/media/File:...

Re: The Nova Kakhovka Hydroelectric dam in Ukraine has been blown open

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Post by CRConrad »

ajross wrote: post #145
baybal2 wrote: post #14

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No, it's a scorched earth tactic, in preparation to abandoning Crimea. Without this dam, Crimea will be without water for at least next 3 to 5 years after Ukraine recaptures it.

This is tactical, not terroristic. Flooded rivers and drained reservoirs are harder for armies to cross than developed riverside real estate. This eliminates the Dnipro as an invasion route and allows Russia to concentrate on defending the north. Putin may not care much about Crimean civilians but he's not going to go through all this trouble just to make them suffer.

Above all, it's economical. Say what you will about Peter Zeihan, but he's been going on about it for months: ~“Once winter is over, and they can't hurt the Ukrainian population by going after energy and heating infrastructure, they'll go after their economy. And with Ukraine a major agricultural exporter, that's probably what they'll go after.”

The Nova Khakovka reservoir fed not only the Crimea Canal, but three (or was it four?) other major canal systems... Irrigation canal systems. Without the dam, the erstwhile reservoir's water level is of course far below that of those canal systems, so they're all out of commission. And with them some significant proportion (a fifth? Something like that) of Ukraine's agriculture.

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