I don't get why it is forced to be on the Dock. I like having a super slim dock that only has open apps in it.
Web Apps on macOS Sonoma 14 Beta
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#12I don't get why it is forced to be on the Dock. I like having a super slim dock that only has open apps in it.
>When right-clicking the Dock icon, you can uncheck Keep in Dock and still launch the app via Launchpad, Spotlight Search, or even just by double-clicking the app icon in ~/Applications/.
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#13I would love to be able to ship apps in this, with a code bundle, so we don't need to ship a full Electron engine for every app. Even better, I wish someone would standardise it so we could still write one, ship to all platforms.
I imagine most developers will still elect to ship their apps using Electron for the usual Safari issues: Safari is only on macOS, very slow to adapt new web technologies and Safari updates are largely tied to macOS updates.
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#14Earlier quoted context omitted.
One can only hope. We keep having this idea since MSHTML and XUL,and thankfully it eventually goes out of fashion. I already have a browser, an OS Web widgets, no need to package a browser with the application other than laziness. Everyone shipping Electron is yet another ChromeOS advocate.
But your "a browser" is different for other people, which one do you expect devs to target?
I expect they to do the same I have been doing since 1996 for Web projects, Web standards, and do the needful to make it work across browsers.
Alternatively, do what I have been doing since 1990, middleware for business logic with native UI integration.
The four preceding years don't count, as I was using only Timex 2068 as my single computer.
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#15I would love to be able to ship apps in this, with a code bundle, so we don't need to ship a full Electron engine for every app. Even better, I wish someone would standardise it so we could still write one, ship to all platforms.
I imagine most developers will still elect to ship their apps using Electron for the usual Safari issues: Safari is only on macOS, very slow to adapt new web technologies and Safari updates are largely tied to macOS updates.
>very slow to adapt new web technologies
I'm not sure this argument holds water given the shockingly old versions of Electron that vendors ship (WhatsApp is using 13.6.9, Slack 24.2.0, Skype 19.0.9, Discord 22.3.2...)
Separately, is Safari actually slow to adopt new web technologies, or do they wait for standardisation and not simply accept the latest half-baked api of the week that Google builds for Chromium, uses across their websites, and then proclaims a New Web Standard?
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#16Earlier quoted context omitted.
I imagine most developers will still elect to ship their apps using Electron for the usual Safari issues: Safari is only on macOS, very slow to adapt new web technologies and Safari updates are largely tied to macOS updates.
>very slow to adapt new web technologies I'm not sure this argument holds water given the shockingly old versions of Electron that vendors ship (WhatsApp is using 13.6.9, Slack 24.2.0, Skype 19.0.9, Discord 22.3.2...) Separately, is Safari actually slow to adopt new web technologies, or do they wait for standardisation and not simply accept the latest half-baked api of the week that Google builds for Chromium, uses a…
Push notifications where a chromium thing?
Re: Web Apps on macOS Sonoma 14 Beta
#17What’s different from opening the websites from safari?
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#18Hello internet explorer, active desktop etc... We are going full circle there.
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#19I don't want to be nit-picky and it might seem like a minor nuisance, but developers will need the ability to display a small banner/prompt to educate user's about the possibility of installing the website like a regular app, otherwise it will be lost on casuals. I really hope that Apple implements this fully and doesn't use strategic loopholes to sabotage Web Apps in small but clever ways.
The trouble with that is every website will set the flag so they try and grab some nice traffic generating (they hope) screen real estate. So less savvy users will get a bad user experience with a home screen / dock full of spam sites because they always hit yes and tech savvy users will just turn off the banner as every site spams them with it. Plus, we already have enough spam interactions before you can actually use websites with stuff like notification enabling prompts, newsletter signups, chatbots and cookie stuff. No more please...
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#20I would love to be able to ship apps in this, with a code bundle, so we don't need to ship a full Electron engine for every app. Even better, I wish someone would standardise it so we could still write one, ship to all platforms.
I imagine most developers will still elect to ship their apps using Electron for the usual Safari issues: Safari is only on macOS, very slow to adapt new web technologies and Safari updates are largely tied to macOS updates.
> very slow
Cautious.
Chrome often adds features that are used to track you or have a negative impact on performance and battery life.