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I don't think the flagrantly flagged stuff counts. Nor should it, otherwise I could intentionally tank any community I didn't like with 30 minutes of spare time. I think they are upset about things that weren't explicitly downvoted/flagged, like comments on the identity of Lina.
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It was flagged by users. Moderators haven't touched it.
This isn't that hard, it just requires a clear commitment.
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It was flagged by users. Moderators haven't touched it.
Dan, you can avoid all this by fixing your moderation. Start banning the transparent bigots (like the "colored flag" person here https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=36231243 ) right away. Care about what the actual hackers like marcan have to say. Even do a little thing like put a little pride flag on HN during June. (People are going to complain about it. Ban them!) This isn't that hard, it just requires a clear co…
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Dan, you can avoid all this by fixing your moderation. Start banning the transparent bigots (like the "colored flag" person here https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=36231243 ) right away. Care about what the actual hackers like marcan have to say. Even do a little thing like put a little pride flag on HN during June. (People are going to complain about it. Ban them!) This isn't that hard, it just requires a clear co…
So your solution is to ban everyone who disagrees with you? In fact, your solution is to ask HN to take an explicitly political position of no relevance to its intended purpose, and then ban everyone who objects to that?
As best I can tell from perusing the thread: - The Asahi Linux team was "blocking" links to their site from Hacker News by detecting HN as the referrer and redirecting those users to Google. - HN added the "noreferrer" tag to at least one of the links, which tells the browser to not pass the referrer string. This means the Asahi Linux "block," which relies on the referrer information, does not work. - Asahi Linux tea…
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HN is absolutely not doing close to enough to chase away racists, bigots and transphobes. I've had minorities confide in me that they feel unable to participate on HN, one of the most influential sites in our industry, because of the level of bigotry tolerated here. This is one of the many ways in which inequality in our field perpetuates. This is not good! There are many things Dan could do to make this place more w…
I'm asking because it's really hard to have a meaningful constructive conversation about these sort of topics without concrete examples, IMHO. I could respond with some generic comments, but they may not apply at all to the examples you have in mind.
For what it's worth, I wrote a little extension to completely hide posts from certain users (and all subthreads to their posts) that I had negative interactions with; from my perspective these people just don't exist on HN. I usually add people to this list after 2 or 3 profoundly negative encounters, or if one encounter is particularly egregious.
I can definitely underscore that HN can be an unfriendly place at times, although in my personal subjective experience I found that the "unpleasantness" is not really isolated to a particular ideology or "side", or even limited to politics (the conversation that made me write this extension in a fit of anger was about devops stuff, after someone was just being a complete ass and I decided I never want to talk to them again).
This is really hard to moderate, because usually it's not "you idiot are you mentally deficient?!" type of stuff – that's easy and obvious, but it's usually more low-key: extremely uncharitable interpretations, wildly off-base straw men, spectacularly off-topic tangents about $pet_peeve, aggressive "I am a singularity of pure rationality, intelligence, and genius" attitudes, put-downs like "after 20 years GIMP still not as good as photoshop, ridiculous", boring and annoying "but akshually" pedantry, conspiratorial nonsense, and stuff like that. Everyone can have a bad day – and that's okay – there's a limit to how "bad" your day can reasonably get, IMHO, and if half your days are bad days....
Even as someone who really tries to keep a cool head about things and typically just "steps away from the computer" if things get too heated it has made my HN experience significantly better.
Maybe I'm just too sensitive; I don't know. I try to be forgiving of people's faults (being forgiving of them is also part of being kind), but I can't control my emotions, so shrug.
> simple things like marking June as pride month/February as Black history month
These seem like meaningless token gestures to be honest. And the US-specific black history month seems a bit inappropriate for an international site like HN, IMHO. I'm not opposed to it or anything (other than being US-specific, as there is already enough US-centrism going on).
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HN is absolutely not doing close to enough to chase away racists, bigots and transphobes. I've had minorities confide in me that they feel unable to participate on HN, one of the most influential sites in our industry, because of the level of bigotry tolerated here. This is one of the many ways in which inequality in our field perpetuates. This is not good! There are many things Dan could do to make this place more w…
I thought HN puts noreferrer in every new link. Could there be a whitelist of links that do not include noreferrer?
HN puts nofollow on every link for SEO reasons, which is different. They're adding noreferrer to this domain specifically so that Asahi Linux isn't able to tell whether people are coming from HN or not.
why are they so angry at HN?
As best I can tell from perusing the thread: - The Asahi Linux team was "blocking" links to their site from Hacker News by detecting HN as the referrer and redirecting those users to Google. - HN added the "noreferrer" tag to at least one of the links, which tells the browser to not pass the referrer string. This means the Asahi Linux "block," which relies on the referrer information, does not work. - Asahi Linux tea…
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