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SEC asks for emergency order to freeze Binance US assets anywhere in the world

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Re: SEC asks for emergency order to freeze Binance US assets anywhere in the world

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Once again the use-case for crypto turns out to be... large scale criminality and fraud. Shocker.

peak Reddit comment

https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html

Please don't post comments saying that HN is turning into Reddit. It's a semi-noob illusion, as old as the hills.

Re: SEC asks for emergency order to freeze Binance US assets anywhere in the world

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> that it can somehow "escape" the legal frameworks of human beings And yet multibillion dollar companies whose entire business is illegally running hotels or taxis get nowhere near the vitriol? Airbnb clearly causes harm for locals in popular tourist cities.

Sure, but Airbnb isn't trying to replace a core societal institution and subvert hundreds of years of financial law. While also if you're American violating the constitution...

Look, I hate crypto too, but I think housing still qualifies as a "core societal institution".

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I'm convinced if the internet was created today, most of HN would be faxing each other, decrying it as a scammers wasteland and useless technology..

Yes, if we had the previous Internet to go on. It's a sobering moment when you realize that a lot of tech is actually net negative to you - not the least because it outsourced to you the work that previously was done, much more efficiently, by specialized labor.

This is my take too. If we knew then what we know now, we'd probably make different choices.

Re: SEC asks for emergency order to freeze Binance US assets anywhere in the world

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There's no reason you would be a criminal, if they're comfortable taking so much cash (you didn't specify how much, dealers may vary in how willing they are to accept very large cash purchases) they will doubtless be comfortable filling out the mandatory reporting. The investigators are looking for patterns, and latchkey having one dead grandma and buying one car isn't a pattern. They can't see patterns if the data w…

> mandatory reporting Why should I have to even be reported on though? It is my money and I'm just buying a car. I'm already registering the car with the state in multiple ways (DMV and insurance). >investigators are looking for patterns Oh, so now I have to be wary of falling into 'a pattern'... but that's ok cause what I'm doing isn't a pattern (today?). This whole concept of absurd levels of tracking and being tre…

> Why should I have to even be reported on though?

Ask your politicians to get rid of the portions of the Bank Secrecy Act of 1970, portions that deal with SAR, CTR.

https://www.fincen.gov/resources/statutes-and-regulations/ba...

Re: SEC asks for emergency order to freeze Binance US assets anywhere in the world

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> mandatory reporting Why should I have to even be reported on though? It is my money and I'm just buying a car. I'm already registering the car with the state in multiple ways (DMV and insurance). >investigators are looking for patterns Oh, so now I have to be wary of falling into 'a pattern'... but that's ok cause what I'm doing isn't a pattern (today?). This whole concept of absurd levels of tracking and being tre…

> Why should I have to even be reported on though? Ask your politicians to get rid of the portions of the Bank Secrecy Act of 1970, portions that deal with SAR, CTR. https://www.fincen.gov/resources/statutes-and-regulations/ba...

Or even just index it to inflation. $10k in 1970 is $80k today. One of those could be first & last month's rent in a major city or functional 3rd hand car, the other is at least adjacent to an interesting cash transaction.

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$35k cash makes the dealership to file a currency transaction report with FinCen. For that matter, any entry/exit of untraceable monetary instruments(cash, money orders) > $10k is filed as a CTR. This is not a big issue; people get panicked, then structure their transactions(multiple cash transactions each $10k in total over time), thereby leading to a SAR(suspicious activity report). Mandatory reporters(banks, deale…

I have some inheritance cash that I received when my grandma died. Right now, it is soaking up some nice 4.9% apy, but eventually I'd like to buy a car (waiting for the prices to crash a bit more). It is what she would have wanted (she bought me my first car). I can't wait to walk into a dealership, with cash, and find out what sort of criminal I am.

The way things work like this (based on court filings publicly available). Imagine some madam is involved in sex trafficking in the states. She comes under the radar of police and other investigative agencies. These agencies gather all circumstantial evidence, but still this evidence doesn't pass muster to convict this madam. However, she goes around and deposits at various ATMs of different banks (say, Chase, PNC, USBank). She thinks that she is smart by depositing $6K (split across three banks) every week. Over the time, AML algos at these banks look at the sliding window of her cash deposits: $10K every five weeks at every bank, and her profession doesn't match up to the story. All three banks file SARs with Fincen. Now the prosecutors dig through FinCen database, and convict her on the structuring charges, instead of sex trafficking. That's what Beria's law is: "Show me the man, I will find you the crime".

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The trouble with describing PoW as "wasting energy" is that it's relative. There's only a sliver of the Sun's light that reaches the orbital plane, and the rest is wasted blasting off in other directions. Then there's all those trillions of stars in galaxies far far away wasting their hydrogen. Waste as a rationale depends on the assumption that the Earth's atmosphere heats up as a result of any excess power generati…

It's simpler than that. For a PoW blockchain based digital economy, the energy waste would scale much faster than the growth of said economy. There's lots of energy in space, but only so much of it is accessible at any given level - I would not like 99%+ of that to be dedicated to keeping the blockchain going. Today, this may be increasing fraction of energy generation on the planet. In 50 years, this may be dedicate…

Ok, “Nah” noted. But for the past billions of years, the same resources have been “wasted” throughout the entire uncountable universe. Dismantling a few planets around a few stars to build Bitcoin mining infrastructure is not remotely problematic for a K3 civilization, for instance. The argument that because humanity is wasting it it’s bad seems faulty.

Re: SEC asks for emergency order to freeze Binance US assets anywhere in the world

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I don't see how you can call them scapegoats and that someone else is "saving face". That implies someone else did something wrong, and they're taking the blame for it, so someone else doesn't look bad. What is that and who is that someone? The management of SVB and FRB gambled and lost. They have no one to blame but themselves. Events that followed seemed like reasonable steps to take to clean up their mess.

When SVB failed, the deposits were guaranteed at 100%, for accounts that were far beyond the $250,000 limit. The money to guarantee those deposits came from the FDIC Insurance Fund. A special assessment -- a fee -- was charged to all other banks in the entire Federal Reserve system to refill the insurance fund. The Biden administration claims that this was not a bailout because taxpayers didn't pay to cover these dep…

This doesn’t answer the question of who is being scapegoated or who is saving face or from what.
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