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Proposed SEC order to freeze, repatriate Binance.US assets

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Re: Proposed SEC order to freeze, repatriate Binance.US assets

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The USP of cryptocurrency is the ability to self-custody. If you sent your money to a company like Voyager, instead of controlling your keys yourself, you missed the point.

Let’s be real, a large fraction of all interest in crypto is as a financial asset. The financial transaction / storage side is relatively uninteresting to people because the existing financial system generally works really well for them in terms of risks, fees, uptime etc. Which isn’t to say the existing financial system works well for everybody all the time, but in practice crypto just isn’t showing real benefits to…

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Re: Proposed SEC order to freeze, repatriate Binance.US assets

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One thing crypto does having going for it is the lack of moralising payment processors. I'm really baffled that sex workers and other groups who provide legal services that payment processors don't like aren't embracing crypto. Seems like a perfect environment for it and the on and off-ramps today are far better than what existed back in 2016.

Most customers are not willing to go to these lengths unless they’re doing something illegal.

Gab.com has been banned by PayPal, Visa and MasterCard: https://news.gab.com/2021/08/an-alternative-to-paypal-is-com...

Free speech, no matter how disgusting, is constitutional in the US. This is a legal use case of crypto.

Another is micropayments for content or for upvotes with Lightning Network, for example https://stacker.news

Re: Proposed SEC order to freeze, repatriate Binance.US assets

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Let’s be real, a large fraction of all interest in crypto is as a financial asset. The financial transaction / storage side is relatively uninteresting to people because the existing financial system generally works really well for them in terms of risks, fees, uptime etc. Which isn’t to say the existing financial system works well for everybody all the time, but in practice crypto just isn’t showing real benefits to…

> The financial transaction / storage side is relatively uninteresting to people because the existing financial system generally works really well for them in terms of risks, fees, uptime etc. In sane countries that is, yes. And that's where most of the global wealth is, too. However, there are places where you need to worry a lot more about the government arbitrarily seizing your funds, or the banks just 'misplacing…

As a compromise, let’s ban cryptocurrency exchanges in all “sane” jurisdictions, because the downsides outweighs the upsides. That seems to be where things are heading already.

These companies will be free to operate everywhere else.

Re: Proposed SEC order to freeze, repatriate Binance.US assets

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And then you are still losing your money, because your supposedly secure hardware wallet had a backdoor all along. Or you are downloading a wallet app that is compromised. Or you are making any one of a million possible mistakes that can lose your everything you have in crypto. At the end of the day, you need to keep your keys on an a dedicated air-gapped system where you have epoxied the USB ports and have ideally w…

I'm fine with taking on that risk. I encrypt my laptop's hard drive and my backups. If I forget those passwords all my data is gone forever too. I'm willing to take that risk with my data and my money. If you aren't willing to take that risk, crypto might not be for you. (These are the hard truths they won't tell you in the super bowl commercials)

What if your house burns down with your laptop on it?

Re: Proposed SEC order to freeze, repatriate Binance.US assets

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post #128

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Title appears to be correct: "Later on Tuesday, a filing from the United States District Court for the District Of Columbia showed that the court had agreed to grant the SEC’s demands."

Nope, look at the filing: https://storage.courtlistener.com/recap/gov.uscourts.dcd.256... Its a proposed order. for those who dont want to click through, its full of stuff like this: "IT IS HEREBY ORDERED, ADJUDGED, AND DECREED that the Defendants show cause, if any, before the Honorable __________ of this Court, at __ o’clock _.m., on the __ day of ____, 2023, in Courtroom _____, United States Courthouse"

First time court tourists are often surprised that you can write your own order for the judge to sign, and it sure sounds official, but it's missing the magic signature that makes it go.

Re: Proposed SEC order to freeze, repatriate Binance.US assets

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I’m a long term skeptic (but opportunistic trader of BTC) - this level of extreme pessimism on HN has historically preceded rallies. Of course, this time can be different.

I don’t think regulatory crackdown historically precedes rallies, but I’m no finance expert

It certainly didn't for online poker.

Re: Proposed SEC order to freeze, repatriate Binance.US assets

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I'm honestly curious, at first glance this looks that could potentially affect cryptocurrencies in a sizable way downwards. I checked CoinMarketCap and it seems that the trend is comparatively stable. Can someone explain this? Please do take into account that I'm not very well versed with cryptocurrencies and I usually need an explainer in several financial concepts.

The SEC action is actually a signal of weakness in USD. This was precipitated somewhat with the pandemic, and more so after there were financial sanctions leveled against Russia.

The reason why currency has relative strength or weakness comes from the idea of a "national balance sheet": if your nation's assets exceed its liabilities, your local currency is gaining buying power, because it can take on additional debt from other countries and therefore, when we measure it in terms of "how much a unit of currency can purchase", we are getting them at a relative discount. You don't necessarily want the currency to be strong if your economy is based on exporting, but as a net importer, the US has assumed the role of strength for some time, and a large part of its system is to "export the dollar" as the international settlement currency.

So, with the pandemic, we got a round of fiscal stimulus, inflating the currency. Not necessarily insurmountable by itself. But then Russia invaded Ukraine and the US decided to punish the action with sanctions. That prevents Russia from doing some business, but it also has a blowback to it: if the usage of USD is becoming more restricted, it becomes less appealing as a settlement currency. Many smaller countries have peeled away to alternatives, with a handful even opting to hold BTC. Therefore, dollar strength is under serious threat now. The recent bank implosions have added to that uncertainty: there is a real question, often discussed in the crypto space now, of whether USD is going to survive intact.

Under Gary Gensler's administration, the MO of the SEC has been to swing around a billy club and drum up a bunch of charges against exchanges. The charges aren't very sound in nature: they don't adhere to a consistent framework, and don't suggest cooperation with exchanges like Coinbase that have taken pains to ask for regulatory clarity.

The rationale for why that's happening now is obvious: if the overriding concern is protecting the dollar, the SEC has to burn any possible lifeboats to maintain control of its own currency.

But...if you're doing that, that's the "then they fight you" part of the story. There are several countries where an informal crypto sector has taken hold to handle payments and remittance precisely because it bypasses financial controls. In many cases, people will still prefer settlement in USD, but they can hold a stablecoin if needed.

There is a fate in which USD pulls through without falling into an inflationary spiral, but it requires the economy to do extremely well(with a mix of labor mobilization and technological improvements) so that the balance sheet is fixed and faith is restored. The market reaction in this case suggests that people don't think the US is in control of its money, and they expect the action to be toothless - and they have a point, since if an exchange goes down, they can continue holding in self-custody and wait for the market to provide alternatives.

Re: Proposed SEC order to freeze, repatriate Binance.US assets

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One thing crypto does having going for it is the lack of moralising payment processors. I'm really baffled that sex workers and other groups who provide legal services that payment processors don't like aren't embracing crypto. Seems like a perfect environment for it and the on and off-ramps today are far better than what existed back in 2016.

> I'm really baffled that sex workers and other groups who provide legal services that payment processors don't like aren't embracing crypto. These people also need to pay their bills and not have their money stolen or otherwise disappear in the “fraud all the way down” world of crypto. Cash solves most of these problems, as well as basic intermediate layers like LLCs.

Cash is not reasonable for internet-based transactions. Payment processors like Stripe and Braintree are better, but they have moralising terms of service and will drop you the moment they find out what you're doing, and good luck getting your money out of that. Banks will frequently give you a hard time or not work with you if you're a sex worker so bank transfers are much more difficult and probably more info than you're willing to give to Johns. OnlyFans bans a lot of (legal) fetish content because of pressure applied by their payment processors, and they take a fat cut (20%) of what you're making on top it.

In an industry where getting fucked by payment processors regularly is part of the business, I think there is obvious appeal to pseudonymous transactions for both buyer and seller. Again, off-ramps are far better in 2023. I can deposit crypto and get cash in my bank account in a working day or two.

Re: Proposed SEC order to freeze, repatriate Binance.US assets

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Most customers are not willing to go to these lengths unless they’re doing something illegal.

Many sex workers are doing something illegal.

The majority of sex workers online are not.

Re: Proposed SEC order to freeze, repatriate Binance.US assets

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Bitcoin solves this. Sorry I just had to. I think crypto as an investable asset class is finished. SEC is sending a very clear signal here. It’s entirely the community’s fault for failing to properly manage this space. They actually earned public’s trust (sometime during the pandemic). And then they threw it all away for a few bucks.

Companies have been asking for regulation for years. The bad actors are a result of that not happening.

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