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US urged to reveal UFO evidence after claim that it has intact alien vehicles

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Re: US urged to reveal UFO evidence after claim that it has intact alien vehicles

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Idk what’s so special about the speed of light/causality, in an alien universe it may not even be relevant. When talking about alien intelligence and technology literally everything is on the table.

There is only one universe

I'm not sure we will ever know if this is the only universe. However it seems highly unlikely that aliens could travel from another universe and, even if they could, bring their own laws on physics with them.

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Can't there be a c) of "Who the hell knows, but there's a lot of evidence piling up." I'm with you in that I don't believe that an alien civilization that has overcome challenges of FTL, etc. would come to Earth to apparently joy-ride. There's something else that's causing trustworthy individuals to make these claims. At this point I just call it "magic" until a better word comes along. One theory is that these bogey…

Who said anything about a joyride? The whistleblower clearly is implying that we are being spied on.

Oooh I didn't catch that. I think that's funny. Given the limitations of FTL, etc., that'd be the equivalent of me canoeing across the Atlantic to spy on a nest of rather dull shrews. I should clearly read what he's saying.

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>What evidence do we have that they traveled faster than light rather than, say, leaving a very, very, very long time ago? We would see a generation ship coming. It would be big, it would give off waste heat, it would probably have to stay in orbit, if we're assuming it follows physics we're familiar with, it would have to use chemical or nuclear rocket propulsion, dump waste and need constant refueling and maintenan…

You're assuming the intelligent species is anywhere close to the size of human beings. And that their generations are anything like our generations. You're assuming that they eat like we do, or weigh as much as we do. Just because a human generation ship would have to be large, it doesn't mean some other species' generation ship would have needed to be.

To account for the size of the various UFOs that have been seen, if those accounts are to be taken at face value, we don't seem to be dealing with space smurfs.

Re: US urged to reveal UFO evidence after claim that it has intact alien vehicles

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There have been reports of aliens, alien crashes and recovery, etc. all over the world[0]. The reason it's primarily seen as an American phenomenon is that the whole culture and mythos originated in the US, first in the late 1940s with the Kenneth Arnold sighting[1] (where the term "flying saucer" originated) and later Close Encounters of the Third Kind and Whitley Streiber's Communion codified the "grey alien/abduct…

And what is considered by some the best UFO photo ever was taken in Costa Rica in 1971: https://news.co.cr/best-ufo-photo-in-the-world-taken-at-aren... UFO researcher Leslie Kean obtained a copy directly from the Costa Rican government: https://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2021/05/10/how-the-pentag...

It looks great but the provenance seems sketchy.

    In 1979, Ricardo Vilchez, one of the project team members, sent the photograph to an organization in the United States called Ground Saucer Watch (GSW) which analyzes these types of cases. GSW determined that the image was true and unadulterated, reported CRHoy.

    Sierra [a UFO researcher] said the photograph was analyzed in France and the United States by different organizations that studied the case, and all confirmed the object’s existence.
We only have word of mouth from UFO researchers citing unnamed "organizations" to verify this. I'd want to see an independent, accredited and non UFO related team actually study the negatives and such. Otherwise it's just another picture on the internet. It is a really good picture, though. Classic shiny flying saucer.

Although I am concerned about the shape of the reflections in this "high res" version[0], they don't look right to me.

[0]https://www.uapmedia.uk/articles/costarica-ufo

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> I've yet to see an explanation that covers all the data those jets collected. Here you go: https://www.youtube.com/c/mickwest . Mick has thoroughly investigated the most cited videos and shows them to be of entirely terrestrial origin - often atmospheric effects combined with optical lens, digital stabilization and thermal imaging artifacts. He even cites the technical documentation for the military camera equipmen…

So you're telling me, some random game developer was more competent than the US military guys who literally are hired for such analysis? I suppose, having coded some "parallax effect" is sufficient in your book?

> So you're telling me, some random game developer was more competent than the US military guys who literally are hired for such analysis?

In the case of the most-cited "Gimbal" video, all the military has officially said is they can't determine for sure what the object the glare shown in the video is from. But everyone already agrees on that point. No one can tell from the video whether the glare shown is caused by an airplane many miles distant or some other object. No one representing the U.S. government has ever said the video could NOT be a magnified thermal glare from a distant airplane. Remember, the pilot never saw the object with his own eyes, it was far too distant to see visually even as a spec on the horizon. All the pilot ever saw was the same auto-tracking thermal video we've all seen.

> I suppose, having coded some "parallax effect" is sufficient in your book?

I don't know what you're referring to but it doesn't sound like Mick West's analysis video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qsEjV8DdSbs. Also, Mick only assembled the video. He acknowledges the evidence shown in the video is the work of many independent researchers working collaboratively over many months while iteratively sharing their data for peer review. There are links to all the source data shown as well as the entire open analysis discussion and review. The summary video is concise and only 20 minutes long. I challenge you to watch all of it and respond specifically. Which of the four points evidenced from the on-screen camera do you think is incorrect and why?

IMHO, it's inarguable the detailed analysis provides conclusive and verifiable evidence the object is precisely consistent with a glare from an extremely distant object with a thermal imaging 'halo' artifact around it. The apparent rotation and erratic movement of the thermal glare observed in the highly-magnified video is a combined artifact of a) the Raytheon multi-axis camera tracking gimbal system used on that jet, b) the optical stabilization system, and c) the digital de-rotation system.

If you respond, please at least give a clear "yes" or "no" as to whether you agree the apparent rotation is created by the rotating camera gimbal (which was then automatically digitally de-rotated) vs actual rotation of the distant object. If not, how do you explain all the obvious signs of gimbal rotation in the on-screen numeric data and the rest of the video frame around the center glare (eg the background clouds and sky)?

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The Pentagon is full of self important buffoons. Could be generic crap from crash sites of test drones, aircrafts, missiles, satellites etc if its secret stuff are ppl going to inform everyone on the planet? Just never ending mindlessness thanks to the Attention Economy giving morons too much attention.

Why do you imagine yourself more competent than those "buffoons" who work in the Pentagon? You believe they see some crap, jump to the conclusion it was "alien spaceships" and go on record declaring to have "working craft"? I wonder who is who here.

The astonishingly solid track record of utter Buffoonery coming out of people who work in that building (leading to millions of people killed, maimed and tortured), spanning multiple decades -- might have something to do with it.

Re: US urged to reveal UFO evidence after claim that it has intact alien vehicles

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I had an encounter with a UAP while I was with some friends in a park. We all saw the same thing. It was so black that its darkness was the only reason we noticed it against the night sky. It loomed over us, maybe 100 feet above the ground, and followed us when we walked away from it. It stayed for about 10 minutes and then flew away. It never made a sound, I never saw any lights, never felt any heat, but it was able…

Thanks for going against the HN grain and submitting a description of this experience. For a site with so many well-educated users I am disturbed by the volume of comments that suggest that things like this only happen in the US, or they have only happened since WWII, they are only reported by military pilots, or that this can't be real because FTL travel is not possible without considering that it isn't even necessa…

In their case the thing they all described blocked out the stars almost from horizon to horizon as it passed over. It was described as huge, black, and silent with a well-defined edge that one could follow across the sky as the stars in front were blocked and those behind reappeared. They said they didn't notice it until they realized all the normal night sounds had completely stopped as it approached and once it passed, the insects, birds and things resumed their chatter. They don't know what they saw but they do know they did see something unusual.

Sounds like ... a cloud? Combined with some kind of local changes in temperature/pressure/ionization sufficient to distract the animals for a bit? (I live partially in nature - sometimes the critters are very active; other times, one can hear a pin drop).

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Sounds like Grusch is upstanding, but I suspect he's been trolled by the rest of them. You can just imagine; "hey Eagle, the UFO guy's coming to ask about that UAP report, you know, the one where the IR tracker locked-on to a speck of dust. Let's mention the (nudge, hehe) black-ops alien testing site we saw when we went to file the report"

You don't troll someone to the point of letting them go testify under oath to the IG.

As the other commenter mentioned - these people troll each other all the time. It's practically the job description for a large portion of them, in fact.

And it doesn't even have to be anybody is trolling him directly. The trolling could be happening several layers deep. And can be entirely unintentional -- just a matter of a few genuinely naive or deluded people somewhere.

Re: US urged to reveal UFO evidence after claim that it has intact alien vehicles

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Thanks for going against the HN grain and submitting a description of this experience. For a site with so many well-educated users I am disturbed by the volume of comments that suggest that things like this only happen in the US, or they have only happened since WWII, they are only reported by military pilots, or that this can't be real because FTL travel is not possible without considering that it isn't even necessa…

In their case the thing they all described blocked out the stars almost from horizon to horizon as it passed over. It was described as huge, black, and silent with a well-defined edge that one could follow across the sky as the stars in front were blocked and those behind reappeared. They said they didn't notice it until they realized all the normal night sounds had completely stopped as it approached and once it pas…

I would think that people who spend a large part of their lives outside working a small farm/ranch after their day jobs would recognize a cloud if they saw one no matter the time of day.

I acknowledge that a cloud would block the view of everything behind it but in this case I'm pretty sure it wasn't a cloud.

Re: US urged to reveal UFO evidence after claim that it has intact alien vehicles

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Am I missing something or is the only thing that makes this different than so many other "insider" claims is that this guy has a career history that implies he isn't just another crackpot spewing theories? It reads just like so many claims like we have heard in the past, but this time people think the guy is more reliable. It is pretty funny that the one of the people often quoted who backs up Grusch's claims is Jona…

> but as I attempt to learn more and more about physics, travel approaching the speed of light, the mechanics that transformed us from a basic life form to a life form with a consciousness, it just seem incredibly unlikely sadly As if humanity's knowledge circa 2023 is the end-all of things!

I'm extremely skeptical, but open minded too. until I see actual evidence, I won't believe it, but ftl isn't needed per se, warp drives supposedly could create worm holes or little folds in space they could jump through to essentially go as far as ftl with fractional speeds. if a worm hole opens between two distant spaces, does time dilation still work the same way? Maybe there's some shortcut through a parallel universe that takes people through space faster, ... I'm obviously not a physicist, but there's plenty of exotic science we don't yet know about, so this is definitely suspect and Occam's razer and all, but that's still like 1 percent or so that it is possible. I would've said 0.0001 percent 4 years ago.
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