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US urged to reveal UFO evidence after claim that it has intact alien vehicles

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Re: US urged to reveal UFO evidence after claim that it has intact alien vehicles

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Post by RyanCavanaugh »

Loquebantur wrote: post #842
mrandish wrote: post #536

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> I've yet to see an explanation that covers all the data those jets collected. Here you go: https://www.youtube.com/c/mickwest . Mick has thoroughly investigated the most cited videos and shows them to be of entirely terrestrial origin - often atmospheric effects combined with optical lens, digital stabilization and thermal imaging artifacts. He even cites the technical documentation for the military camera equipmen…

So you're telling me, some random game developer was more competent than the US military guys who literally are hired for such analysis? I suppose, having coded some "parallax effect" is sufficient in your book?

The US military made no claims that these videos showed unexplainable phenomena. They just sort of put them out there.

The video they called "Gimbal" shows an artifact caused by a gimbal mechanism, for example

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Post by xpe »

Loquebantur wrote: post #359
bragr wrote: post #208

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Why does it have to be a conspiracy? Some small but significant portion of the population is mentally ill, and it seems likely a few would hear a joke ("we keep the alien space ships through that door, I'd show you but I'd have to kill you"), take it way too literally, and it becomes the focus of their mental illness. That seems not only possible but probable given the size the military industrial complex.

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> Read the article.

This (issuing a command to read the article) is even worse than the behavior discussed in guidelines from https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html

> Please don't comment on whether someone read an article. "Did you even read the article? It mentions that" can be shortened to "The article mentions that".

Re: US urged to reveal UFO evidence after claim that it has intact alien vehicles

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Post by asveikau »

raizer88 wrote: post #739
asveikau wrote: post #697

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If the military industrial complex is so competent, how come it failed so hard in Iraq and Afghanistan? Even the "true" conspiracies, like mkultra ... What did all that abuse accomplish? Not much. Unethical? Yes. Murderous? At times. Competent? No. Bumbling fools. The term "military industrial complex" was meant as a warning about corruption, not that they'd manage to be good at it.

I think from the MIC POV the war in iraq and afghanistan was a incredible success. Why end a war in a year when you can milk the DOD for 20 years?

Ok, so if they're good at the goal of extracting money, it would appear they're not good at much else.

Re: US urged to reveal UFO evidence after claim that it has intact alien vehicles

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Post by idkyall »

moomoo11 wrote: post #129
orbital-decay wrote: post #104

Aliens just seem to love the USA, don't they? Just like giant prehistoric sea monsters seem to love Japan. It's totally not a cover-up for another black project.

If I came across a planet of smart monkeys and one monkey state had the most baddest mfers with the most insane tech and research, I’d want to learn about them. Everyone’s already encountered the starting conditions in most other countries. US is the only one winning Civilization Earth. I’m a naturalized US citizen, for example. Could have ended up anywhere but it’s best here in terms of opportunity and making new st…

If I were a visitor to planet Earth, I'd still want to visit the grand canyon, I think

Re: US urged to reveal UFO evidence after claim that it has intact alien vehicles

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Post by SideburnsOfDoom »

coffeefirst wrote: post #379
zoogeny wrote: post #332

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> Why does it have to be a conspiracy? Some of his claims, if you believe them, point towards coordinated activities. For example, he claims that an intelligence official, who he had known and worked with for a long time and who he trusted, pulled him aside and confided in him about this project. This intelligence official mentioned a particular project name. He then claims that later a totally different intelligence…

Or his colleagues are messing with him. But believing the US has a classified alien spaceship that was recovered in-tact is way more fun so let's go with that.

> Or his colleagues are messing with him

As a co-ordinated activity, sure.

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Post by stevenhuang »

double0jimb0 wrote: post #602
sandspar wrote: post #586

It'd be weird if it turned out that it is an alien aircraft and... that's it. It's too advanced for us to understand, it's too high tech. And we're left with, "Yup, aliens exist. No, we don't know anything more about them." It's like that old movie where an airline pilot drops a Coca Cola can into the midst of an uncontacted Amazonian tribe. "Wow, this thing sure is neat. Damned if I know what it's for though."

This is the situation I’m leaning towards. Military has been trying unsuccessfully for 80 years to figure it out. An adult finally walks into the room, sees how hopeless their attempts are, and whistleblows.

As someone who dug deep into the rabbit hole, yes, this is the "in-lore" explanation of it.

Apparently a secretive clique in the air force take a group of scientists every few decades to see if any headway can be made into reverse engineering the technology.

See "The day before Roswell" from US Colonel Corso Phillip. Epistemic note: the book has been dramatized by the publisher for effect and diverges from Corso's personal notes, and there is some disagreement with the way the story is told from Corso's son.

Still, it paints a certain picture of who the major players are behind this alleged once-cover-up and how it apparently played out.

Not too sure what to make it but it's a fun sci-fi story nevertheless :)

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Post by whamlastxmas »

belter wrote: post #905
zoogeny wrote: post #166

I saw an interview with this guy just yesterday. He didn't see anything himself. His claim is that some people, and he believes them to be trustworthy, confided in him and showed him some documents. So, at best his testimony is hearsay. All of this stuff reeks of some kind of psyop. My belief is that for some reason, the US government used psychology tests to identify a select few people who naturally "want to believ…

I am calling it as 90% probability non true based one of the two techniques you can use to validate these type of claims. My claim uses Method B Method A: Extensive analysis if this is a first account of facts or hearsay (here is the latest anyway). Extensive analysis of evidence, specially with metadata correlation between evidence arriving from different sources and timelines. Method B: Analysis of instinctive and…

Body language showing lying is debunked and bullshit

Re: US urged to reveal UFO evidence after claim that it has intact alien vehicles

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Post by whamlastxmas »

Loquebantur wrote: post #837
gsatic wrote: post #831

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The Pentagon is full of self important buffoons. Could be generic crap from crash sites of test drones, aircrafts, missiles, satellites etc if its secret stuff are ppl going to inform everyone on the planet? Just never ending mindlessness thanks to the Attention Economy giving morons too much attention.

Why do you imagine yourself more competent than those "buffoons" who work in the Pentagon? You believe they see some crap, jump to the conclusion it was "alien spaceships" and go on record declaring to have "working craft"? I wonder who is who here.

Seeing the massive amount of fraud and dishonesty in science, especially when it comes to getting material published, combined with the government’s track record of lying and incompetence, the simplest explanation for all of this is dishonesty or incompetence

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Post by rocket_surgeron »

If an extraterrestrial intelligence has reached the level of ability needed to transport large masses over vast interstellar distances, they are not lazily buzzing F/A-18s off the coast of California.

They're not coyly darting to and fro in a game with, almost exclusively American, pilots.

They're not hiding themselves from humanity, for whatever reason.

Their immense power would be like the Sun shining next to humanity's candle. They would not care, or even know to care, about how we would react to their presence.

Their interaction with Earth would be like Earth's with Mars. Sure we take steps to sterilize Mars rovers to prevent contamination but only because when we drill the hell out of that rock in broad daylight for all the Martians to see we want to make sure we only get Mars stuff.

I don't know why this is so hard for people to understand.

Re: US urged to reveal UFO evidence after claim that it has intact alien vehicles

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Post by ajross »

MacsHeadroom wrote: post #581
ajross wrote: post #514

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Absolutely fascinating that the top two replies to an article about Aliens! are positing basically the same conspiracy: that this is a deliberate psyop run by a "nation state" and not just... people being wrong about stuff? Why go through the trouble to refute one unlikely and poorly supported hypothesis just to jump right into a new one? Has Occam taught us nothing? There are no successfully hidden "conspiracies" of…

The U.S. Inspector General called the claims "credible and urgent" and congress has planned a hearing on the documents provided to them under oath on said retrieval programs. This clearly goes well beyond someone simply being mistaken.

I'll just say that I regard the chances of the IG and congress being wrong about something as rather higher than that of an extraterrestrial civilization leaving artifacts on earth recovered only by the US Government. I mean, come on. I love alien stuff too but you need to put the bar for proof in a reasonable place, and this isn't it.

My point wasn't that there's a reasonable factual argument here (there clearly isn't) it's that the "reasonable" people jumping in to re-interpret it were also engaging in unfounded conspiracy paranoia (albeit one with a much more plausible hypothesis).

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