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Re: Is AI killing the stock photo industry? A data perspective

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Post by pessimizer » Wed, Jun 07, 2023, 2:53 PM UTC

voxadam wrote: post #75

Isn't the uncopyrightable nature of AI generated artwork a potential issue here? If I produce ad content for a company whose public image is incredibly important (e.g. Apple) and that content includes AI art what is to stop a competitor, or anyone else, from reusing that same art in a counter ad or to produce other content to similarly harm the original company? On the other hand, if I were to use images from a stock…

Copyright rests on nothing. As an issue, it only needs lobbyists to solve. It's easy to write Section 230 for AI, giving the owners of AI a ton of rights in return for no obligations..

Re: Is AI killing the stock photo industry? A data perspective

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Post by Trapais » Wed, Jun 07, 2023, 2:53 PM UTC

wilimitis wrote: post #22

harry8 wrote: post #12

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The photographers who took those stock photos also trained on stock photos.

Nope - a.i. is essentially just rearranging pixels because you can formally delineate (via mathematical expressions) how to arrive from input set to output image. To compare this in any respectable degree to human creativity is not reasonable.

That's a very fancy way with lots of fancy words to say "I have no idea how NN work, but if I sound smart maybe ppl will not figure out how stupid I sound". Well, you sound stupid and nothing what you said makes sense.

Delineate? Diffusion models can't be further away for delineating. They literally work by throwing random shit at the wall.

Input set? There is no input set once training is complete.

Human creativity? In stock photo industry? What next? "How I write while loop instead of for loop and I have achieved the nirvana?"

Re: Is AI killing the stock photo industry? A data perspective

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Post by partiallypro » Wed, Jun 07, 2023, 2:55 PM UTC

mmcconnell1618 wrote: post #108

If you haven't tried to purchase a stock photo recently, it is incredibly difficult. I can order same day delivery of physical goods from Amazon much faster than trying to buy a single stock photo. All of the services are subscriptions now and they have dark UX patterns to convince you the only way to get the images is to sign up for an annual plan that will auto-renew. In comparison, typing a prompt into a generativ…

I'm not sure what you're talking about, buying from Getty, iStock, Shutterstock, Adobe, etc is pretty seamless. Maybe you mean if you don't have an existing account? But in the case...why would you be buying a stock photo? I still also occasionally use Unsplash, but I've never had a single issue buying a stock photo.

Re: Is AI killing the stock photo industry? A data perspective

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Post by amelius » Wed, Jun 07, 2023, 2:55 PM UTC

mmcconnell1618 wrote: post #108

If you haven't tried to purchase a stock photo recently, it is incredibly difficult. I can order same day delivery of physical goods from Amazon much faster than trying to buy a single stock photo. All of the services are subscriptions now and they have dark UX patterns to convince you the only way to get the images is to sign up for an annual plan that will auto-renew. In comparison, typing a prompt into a generativ…

You say dark patterns, but the true dark behavior is AI copying (^H^H learning from) all those stock photos and giving them away for free.

Re: Is AI killing the stock photo industry? A data perspective

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Post by tsunamifury » Wed, Jun 07, 2023, 2:59 PM UTC

amelius wrote: post #124

mmcconnell1618 wrote: post #108

If you haven't tried to purchase a stock photo recently, it is incredibly difficult. I can order same day delivery of physical goods from Amazon much faster than trying to buy a single stock photo. All of the services are subscriptions now and they have dark UX patterns to convince you the only way to get the images is to sign up for an annual plan that will auto-renew. In comparison, typing a prompt into a generativ…

You say dark patterns, but the true dark behavior is AI copying (^H^H learning from) all those stock photos and giving them away for free.

You’re right but it does t help when media companies always are customer unfriendly. People start rooting for the thief when the owner is such a jerk.

Re: Is AI killing the stock photo industry? A data perspective

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Post by [deleted] » Wed, Jun 07, 2023, 3:06 PM UTC

zirgs wrote: post #54

emrah wrote: post #32

Since AI is mixing to create images and not being truly creative, I reckon it will be a worthy business to be able to detect where the pieces in an AI- generated image comes from.

If a model has been trained on a diverse dataset and doesn't suffer from overfitting then that's pretty much impossible.

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Re: Is AI killing the stock photo industry? A data perspective

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Post by AnthonyMouse » Wed, Jun 07, 2023, 3:18 PM UTC

pessimizer wrote: post #119

prepend wrote: post #91

Earlier quoted context omitted.

All the users of that machine profit. And I guess there are orders of magnitude greater users.

All the users are that machine are renting time from the machine's owner.

You can run Stable Diffusion on any PC. A $50 desktop PC which is ten years old will generate an image in about 6 minutes. A more modern PC will do it in 2 minutes. That's the CPU. A $300 GPU is dramatically faster. And in a few years the same GPU will be $50.

You can rent the hardware from someone else, but that's a matter of convenience, not affordability.

Re: Is AI killing the stock photo industry? A data perspective

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Post by AnthonyMouse » Wed, Jun 07, 2023, 3:19 PM UTC

e12e wrote: post #96

wnkrshm wrote: post #68

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Imo it's only right to have something that is made of public goods (i.e. everyone's data and human historic record) to become a public good in itself.

I agree, but I'm not sure it's all that different from oil, iron ore ore drinking water?

If you train a model and publish it, anyone can copy it for free. How do you make free copies of iron ore?

Re: Is AI killing the stock photo industry? A data perspective

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Post by raincole » Wed, Jun 07, 2023, 3:23 PM UTC

emrah wrote: post #32

Since AI is mixing to create images and not being truly creative, I reckon it will be a worthy business to be able to detect where the pieces in an AI- generated image comes from.

> where the pieces in an AI- generated image comes from.

A single image "comes from" millions or even billions of pieces. It truly works like that (albeit counterintuitive). It doesn't just combine 4 or 5 images and apply a filter.

Re: Is AI killing the stock photo industry? A data perspective

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Post by vkou » Wed, Jun 07, 2023, 3:35 PM UTC

harry8 wrote: post #12

stingraycharles wrote: post #5

Earlier quoted context omitted.

And the sad thing is that these models are most likely trained upon most of these stock photos to begin with. I can understand the frustration of the industry.

The photographers who took those stock photos also trained on stock photos.

Yes, and they own their creative output, instead of the firm who trained them.

The proper analogy to ML is that the owners of the latter train a slave, and then use that training process as justification for owning everything[1] the slave ever produces.

How can freemen compete with that?

[1] Which also happens to be a perversion of copyright law, since AI can't enter into a contract that can assign rights to creative output to it's owner.