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Re: Notes on Vision Pro

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Post by generalizations »

dav_Oz wrote: post #536

I dig his vision of huge, persistent infospaces after all the "method of loci" [0] is a very effective and well described mnemonic device at least since antiquity. The basic observation: It takes very little effort and exposure to remember places (spatial information) in contrast to taking in linear heavy processed information from writing and numbers (e.g. "facts"). Combine these two and you have a powerful way navi…

> I dig his vision of huge, persistent infospaces

This is immediately where I went as well. Been hoping for something like this since the first few iterations of VR tech. I can imagine that will become one of the 'killer apps' of this platform. Unfortunately, he also said it might take some iterations on their windowing system.

Re: Notes on Vision Pro

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Post by rchaud »

moonchrome wrote: post #367
jb1991 wrote: post #315

I use quite a few Apple products every day of the last 10 years, and I’m very impressed with certainly all the technology and reviews and explanations of how this device works and what the user experience will be. However, this is the first Apple device that really makes me pause. All of the marketing material, the WWDC videos, all of it feels very uncomfortable to see all these people isolating themselves in a room…

This is labeled a pro device. Their home use marketing really misses the mark IMO. The fact that I can mute out the rest of the room while working is a plus not a minus. I'm skeptical this will be there on a technical level to justify the price but the concept of working in VR is objectively an improvement, especially once you factor in the portability of the system. For entertainment - it's probably going to be the…

People already had computers for work. Nobody is going to have one of these sitting around for years until a Prince of Persia or Doom type game emerges.

Apple needs to build an app store for this and fast.

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Post by gherkinnn »

jstanley wrote: post #494
jb1991 wrote: post #315

I use quite a few Apple products every day of the last 10 years, and I’m very impressed with certainly all the technology and reviews and explanations of how this device works and what the user experience will be. However, this is the first Apple device that really makes me pause. All of the marketing material, the WWDC videos, all of it feels very uncomfortable to see all these people isolating themselves in a room…

You're taking a backwards-looking view of this. Imagine if ancient man, living in the woods, saw people of today living in cities. "It feels very uncomfortable seeing all of these people isolating themselves inside buildings". In fact the very opposite is the case. Now, we go into nature to isolate ourselves. In the future, going into virtual reality will be where you go to interact with others, and you'll take the g…

> Imagine if ancient man, living in the woods, saw people of today living in cities. "It feels very uncomfortable seeing all of these people isolating themselves inside buildings".

Forest man is on to something. Can I live in his family’s hovel and keep my antibiotics? Thanks.

Re: Notes on Vision Pro

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Post by malfist »

sanderjd wrote: post #533
Cthulhu_ wrote: post #388

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It'll become accepted I'm sure, if it breaks through; could anyone have imagined walking into a living room 30 years ago [0] and seeing everyone hunched over a phone? Or 80 years ago and seeing everyone around a television? I mean I get what you mean, but I also think that some things get normalized in subsequent generations. Our 15 year old and his gf have their phones out at all times, frequently switching to inter…

> Our 15 year old and his gf have their phones out at all times, frequently switching to interacting, glancing at random videos, messaging, games, etc. Yes, and this is a bad thing.

Was it better when we all gathered around the radio?

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Post by rocketbop »

lucubratory wrote: post #502
rocketbop wrote: post #436

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Shittier in that it’s real rather than virtual?

Shittier in that my partner's hands and sometimes back are wrecked from a relatively short time using them.

I’m not sure wearing headsets all day and air typing is going to be a lot better ergonomically.

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Post by generalizations »

8jef wrote: post #537

To me, Apple Vision vision's, so-called spacial computing, is exactly what I was always looking for in a portable computing device: beefy processor, pixeless experience, app and file navigation using natural eyes and hands movement. This has the potential of replacing all desktop, laptop and tablet I may own. Now I just have to wait for a Linux compatible version. Because there's no way I'm gonna use any Apple softwa…

> Now I just have to wait for a Linux compatible version.

That'll probably be about 15-20 years. Apple will have to prove that their interfaces work, and the rest of the industry will have to follow, and hardware will have to be hacked, and new paradigms built, and eventually -- maybe -- it'll be possible to do a non-janky version of this on linux. But the UX is paramount here, and linux is notoriously bad at that.

Re: Notes on Vision Pro

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Post by MBCook »

ukuina wrote: post #338
MBCook wrote: post #234

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Based on the hands-on impressions I’ve read it sounds significantly more than twice as good. Five times the price, yeah. Today. This really feels like a product aimed at developers right now not the mass market yet. Which fits. The iPhone took a few years to really take off. The Apple Watch took a few years to really takeoff.

Has Apple ever released a Developer Edition product before?

Yes, sort of.

The first Intel Mac and the first ARM Mac were DTKs: Developer Transition Kits.

You’d buy them from Apple at a reduced price, could use them to get your software running, and then had to give them back when the real hardware was released.

There was nothing similar for the watch, iPad, or iPhone though.

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Post by lolinder »

brookst wrote: post #484
landhar wrote: post #400

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> could anyone have imagined walking into a living room 30 years ago and seeing everyone hunched over a phone? True, but I don't recall smartphones ever being unveiled with promotional videos of people all being hunched over them at dinner. Smartphones were promoted by enabling us to do things on the go: making and receiving phone calls, getting directions, finding restaurants in the area. This is why this feels diff…

I’m confused. Are we judging a product category based on how it’s promoted, or how it’s used? I don’t think my opinion of smartphones would be any different if early promotions had shown the downsides, or bigger upsides, or bizarre and unrealistic scenarios. Am I wrong to be anchored on how they’re actually used, which literally nobody foresaw?

I don't think OP is saying smartphones aren't dystopian in practice, just that no one set out to create the dystopia. That part of the Vision demo showed that the designers thought that this additional contribution to our dystopia was a positive thing, and that's concerning.

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Post by rchaud »

Kiro wrote: post #406
jb1991 wrote: post #315

I use quite a few Apple products every day of the last 10 years, and I’m very impressed with certainly all the technology and reviews and explanations of how this device works and what the user experience will be. However, this is the first Apple device that really makes me pause. All of the marketing material, the WWDC videos, all of it feels very uncomfortable to see all these people isolating themselves in a room…

My dream is to become a fully wired in cyborg. I thought many hackers felt the same but I guess not.

Probably because being jacked in to what amounts to a $3500 Safari browser and an Apple amusement park feels less like Terminator's HUD and more like the guy in the Matrix that decided to believe he's enjoying eating an imaginary steak in an imaginary restaurant.

Re: Notes on Vision Pro

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Post by lolinder »

malfist wrote: post #544
sanderjd wrote: post #533

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> Our 15 year old and his gf have their phones out at all times, frequently switching to interacting, glancing at random videos, messaging, games, etc. Yes, and this is a bad thing.

Was it better when we all gathered around the radio?

> gathered around

Yes, because by definition this is a shared experience. Phones are isolating because no one knows what you're looking at and it's rather hard to share the small screen even if you want to.

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