Why is the US government peddling conspiracy theories after condemning true ones for the past 3 years?
US urged to reveal UFO evidence after claim that it has intact alien vehicles
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Re: US urged to reveal UFO evidence after claim that it has intact alien vehicles
#882The whole chit-chat isn't productive actually, because almost everybody gives a fun about the aliens, we just need to know how those things fly without wings, fans, rockets in them. We mostly don't even care about the pilots.
How they can easily zip to the LEO in less than a minute like it wasn't a big thing at all vs. how a human built rocket needs a carefully planned operation just not to blow up even before raising up from the very floor?
Re: US urged to reveal UFO evidence after claim that it has intact alien vehicles
#883Lol
Re: US urged to reveal UFO evidence after claim that it has intact alien vehicles
#884Earlier quoted context omitted.
It’s not a fancy alien who crashed. It’s a drone from a fleet of paperclip producing ai swarms. It crash landed here, but 1000 others didn’t crash, and they’re already at work secretly converting the earth to paperclips The paperclip ai swarm’s origin story: some tech startup from 100 light years away screwed up their ai system and went extinct / got turned into paperclips The universe is devoid of life because all o…
..and let's waste 1000s of work-hours as a community: https://www.decisionproblem.com/paperclips/
Universal paperclips is a great game
Re: US urged to reveal UFO evidence after claim that it has intact alien vehicles
#885I saw an interview with this guy just yesterday. He didn't see anything himself. His claim is that some people, and he believes them to be trustworthy, confided in him and showed him some documents. So, at best his testimony is hearsay. All of this stuff reeks of some kind of psyop. My belief is that for some reason, the US government used psychology tests to identify a select few people who naturally "want to believ…
The Trump indictments probably have teeth, and getting the I Want To Believe / Dale Gribble / Q-Anon crowd sidetracked is probably the main idea.
They've been doing it since the 90s and the Oklahoma City Bombings.
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#886Earlier quoted context omitted.
Occam's razor. Even at non-relativistic speeds self replicating robots could have visited every star system in the galaxy within a few tens of millions of years. We haven't seen any evidence. Everyone has the most advanced cameras in history in their phones and there's exactly zero indisputable pictures of UFOs, ghosts, fairies, chupacabras, Nessie, Bigfoots, Yetis, and so on. If aliens can travel even a light year,…
Agree with everything you’re saying except the cameras in phones. Cameras in phones are advanced but most do not have kind of optical zoom. Try to take a picture of a plane flying overhead with your iPhone or a bird. It’s hard to get a clear photo of something so far away.
But surely you can get a clear shot over your shoulder as you are being probed? ;0)
Re: US urged to reveal UFO evidence after claim that it has intact alien vehicles
#887I saw an interview with this guy just yesterday. He didn't see anything himself. His claim is that some people, and he believes them to be trustworthy, confided in him and showed him some documents. So, at best his testimony is hearsay. All of this stuff reeks of some kind of psyop. My belief is that for some reason, the US government used psychology tests to identify a select few people who naturally "want to believ…
>All of this stuff reeks of some kind of psyop. Ugh, I was 100% with you until this point. This is speculative, fantastical, and I think serves to discredit the sober and calm pushback of the type exhibited in the first half of your comment. And that is desperately needed in a moment like this.
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Re: US urged to reveal UFO evidence after claim that it has intact alien vehicles
#888Earlier quoted context omitted.
Angels, ghosts, UFOs, miracles all have the same characteristics. A person who seems very reasonable says they are sure that saw the thing, and they provide SOME circumstantial or grainy photographic evidence, but no one actually got a full resolution picture of the angel or ghost or UFO. I doubt these people are lying. They actually saw something. Miracles are the easiest example to explain. Someone couldn't walk an…
It seems likely to me that “seeing things” is consistent with the predictive processing model from cognitive neuroscience. To summarize: the retina error-corrects a simulation provided from the cortex. Let’s say some visual details are fuzzy. With a strong enough Bayesian prior (e.g. belief in UFOs), the human perceptual apparatus could subjectively see things that look like UFOs. Mind bending, but this seems to me a…
> Recent empirical work from independent laboratories shows strong, overly precise priors can engender hallucinations in healthy subjects and that individuals who hallucinate in the real world are more susceptible to these laboratory phenomena.
https://www.cell.com/trends/cognitive-sciences/fulltext/S136...
Trends in Cognitive Science
OPINION | VOLUME 23, ISSUE 2, P114-127, FEBRUARY 2019
Hallucinations and Strong Priors
Philip R. Corlett, Guillermo Horga, Paul C. Fletcher, Ben Alderson-Day, Katharina Schmack, Albert R. Powers III
Open Access
Published: December 21, 2018
Re: US urged to reveal UFO evidence after claim that it has intact alien vehicles
#889Am I missing something or is the only thing that makes this different than so many other "insider" claims is that this guy has a career history that implies he isn't just another crackpot spewing theories? It reads just like so many claims like we have heard in the past, but this time people think the guy is more reliable. It is pretty funny that the one of the people often quoted who backs up Grusch's claims is Jona…
Which is more likely? a) An alien civilization has overcome the massive problems of interstellar travel and is visiting us right now. or b) The people making these claims are wrong. While a) isn't impossible, b) seems so much more likely. Also if they have the technology to cross interstellar space, surely they have the technology not to be detected by us?
Can't there be a c) of "Who the hell knows, but there's a lot of evidence piling up." I'm with you in that I don't believe that an alien civilization that has overcome challenges of FTL, etc. would come to Earth to apparently joy-ride. There's something else that's causing trustworthy individuals to make these claims. At this point I just call it "magic" until a better word comes along.
One theory is that these bogeys have been here as long as we have and are basically automated tests, sort-of like the monolith in 2001 A Space Odyssey. It's ridiculous, but less ridiculous than a). The more I think about it, flying octopuses from Europa is less ridiculous than a).
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#890I find this subject fascinating. As the article states, Navy pilots are on record as eye witnesses for this stuff, along with the various radar feeds, etc. I'm curious what HN thinks of the following: There are 3 comprehensive possibilities (correct me if you think differently): 1. These crafts are ET origin 2. These crafts are human origin (secrete military tech or similar) 3. This is a psyop Due to the supposed fee…
"Navy pilots are on record"
PSYops. What about being a "navy pilot" validates these claims? That's like saying "Police officers have come out on record to say that bad buys have lazer guns". Of course they would say that, they want everyone to think THEY have big lazer guns too!
like any other piece of the military, Pilots are only allowed to disseminate what the current strategy-focus tells them to disseminate.