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US urged to reveal UFO evidence after claim that it has intact alien vehicles

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Re: US urged to reveal UFO evidence after claim that it has intact alien vehicles

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Post by dmix »

Loquebantur wrote: post #844
scns wrote: post #841

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Jonathan Grey is a generational officer of the United States Intelligence Community with a Top-Secret Clearance who currently works for the National Air and Space Intelligence Center (NASIC), where the analysis of UAP has been his focus. Previously he had experience serving Private Aerospace and Department of Defense Special Directive Task Forces. A career like this won't protect you from belief or developing an me…

How dou you suppose your own competence to be sufficient to judge his claims "must be wrong" and on top of it attest this guy some "mental illness"?

If there was some Vegas sports book I'd bet the odds are in the direction he's a bit loony or lacks analytical skills at a minimum, or had any real data.

Gov jobs in intelligence isn't exactly an exclusive club for intelligent people after all. Which is usually where the bulk of credibility is built on.

> As our chart shows, the federal government grants top secret security clearance to large numbers of government employees and contractors: 1.25 million according to the latest publicly available figures.

https://www.statista.com/chart/29717/top-secret-federal-gove...

Re: US urged to reveal UFO evidence after claim that it has intact alien vehicles

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Post by dmix »

atentaten wrote: post #823
neom wrote: post #810

Isn't the whistle blower stuff considerably less interesting than this: But some insiders are now willing to take the risk of coming forward for the first time with knowledge of these recovery programs. Jonathan Grey is a generational officer of the United States Intelligence Community with a Top-Secret Clearance who currently works for the National Air and Space Intelligence Center (NASIC), where the analysis of UAP…

Yes, that along with the last sentence. It sounds like what you are ‘supposed’ to say when this type of revelation is made because we’ve heard it many times before in movies and books over the decades.

It's always some unnamed US gov unit hiding the discovery from the wider US gov itself in these ~~movies~~ I mean whistleblowing claims.

Re: US urged to reveal UFO evidence after claim that it has intact alien vehicles

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Post by twobitshifter »

misja111 wrote: post #728
twobitshifter wrote: post #439

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Could have been intentional and likely unmanned

Sure, they sent a spaceship that had to travel many lightyears to reach us, then intentionally let it crash.

It may have not been sent to reach us, they might not know there is an us. When was the probe launched? Did humans even have fire at that time?

Re: US urged to reveal UFO evidence after claim that it has intact alien vehicles

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Post by another2another »

zoogeny wrote: post #166

I saw an interview with this guy just yesterday. He didn't see anything himself. His claim is that some people, and he believes them to be trustworthy, confided in him and showed him some documents. So, at best his testimony is hearsay. All of this stuff reeks of some kind of psyop. My belief is that for some reason, the US government used psychology tests to identify a select few people who naturally "want to believ…

extraordinary claims require extraordinary proof.

Other than working for the US Government, this guy doesn't seem to have brought anything, so I'm amazed this story has gotten the traction it has. It's not like it's been a slow news week or anything.

Re: US urged to reveal UFO evidence after claim that it has intact alien vehicles

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Post by GoblinSlayer »

fnordsensei wrote: post #189
zoogeny wrote: post #166

I saw an interview with this guy just yesterday. He didn't see anything himself. His claim is that some people, and he believes them to be trustworthy, confided in him and showed him some documents. So, at best his testimony is hearsay. All of this stuff reeks of some kind of psyop. My belief is that for some reason, the US government used psychology tests to identify a select few people who naturally "want to believ…

To what end?

Distraction from lobbying, e.g. https://www.eff.org/deeplinks/2023/06/our-right-challenge-ju...

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Post by transducers »

nprateem wrote: post #663
transducers wrote: post #216

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I share the opinion that it is psyop and it is a very long running project. At one level it is a nice psyop platform - like Star Trek for the psychological warfare professionals. Over the years they have influenced American thought about the government to a great degree. X-Files. For example, most Americans, and this “whistleblower” here, now accept that elements in the US government are operating entirely outside of…

Sorry, how long is this supposed to take? You're saying we're going to be dominated by aliens and must be prepared for that? That's not how conquests normally work is it? There's no consent involved. And you're also saying this 'preparation' has been happening for 70 years? How long have we got before they actually arrive and how much prep do we need? This is all complete bollocks

There is no invasion as there are no aliens. It is psyop. A genre (“platform”) of psyop has been tried out over the years, and a developing thread (based on other propaganda channels, such as fiction, and film) is the coming ‘encounter’. Here “US is urged to reveal UFO evidence” is published by a major Western establishment press, The Guardian, based on 2nd hand information and not on actual personally witnessed evidence.

The issue of having “major world religions” that are not in accord (per orthodox understanding of respective faithful) remains an issue for establishment of a uniform social order on the planet. It’s going to be difficult to have a world government without a unified world religion. “Aliens” can help with that.

As a thought exercise, imagine aliens have landed. Aliens could inform us that for example ‘angels’ were really the aliens and that we sadly misunderstood their messages. Various syncretic efforts have also been ongoing since at least 19th century (“new age”) so the ground has been well prepared. To conclude the exercise, ask yourself what impact this will have on your belief system.

Re: US urged to reveal UFO evidence after claim that it has intact alien vehicles

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Post by footlose_3815 »

This is what happens when misinformation runs rampant. Legitimate news publications are being pressured by know-nothings on the internet listening to a guy who is literally not a primary witness to anything he claims to have "proof" of.

Happens every now and then, but lately, the UFO crazies keep resurfacing every few months.

The dumbest are dragging down credibility, as usual. If there were aliens, they'd have communicated or killed us by now.

Re: US urged to reveal UFO evidence after claim that it has intact alien vehicles

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Post by jerf »

Ireallyapart wrote: post #649
jerf wrote: post #546

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It is commonly said extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence. Much less commonly said, but still true, is that extraordinary claims require extraordinary trust . I do not trust the people saying these things. That I can not 100% guess their motivations for this is not particularly relevant. They have a long history of consistent and large lies. Failing to take that into account when they're making this sor…

>Much less commonly said, but still true, is that extraordinary claims require extraordinary trust. What you say is true. But here's the problem. 99% of people in this world are people you don't know well and don't know personally and they aren't famous enough for you to trust them. Thus by probability an extraordinary claim that is true is highly, highly likely to come from someone you will never have any form of "e…

You ignored the fact these people are not neutral. They're liars. If they're telling the truth now, they're some of the largest liars in human history. Your hypothetical is irrelevant in this case.

I have answers, but discussing them would just be further excuses to try to dilute away this fundamental truth, so I decline. It's their responsibility to figure out how to be more trustworthy if they want it, not mine. (Helpful tip: They can start by not lying about everything, all the time.) It's my responsibility not to trust known, repeated, huge liars.

Re: US urged to reveal UFO evidence after claim that it has intact alien vehicles

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Post by stevenhuang »

My epistemic claim after having dived deep into this topic from a rational and analytical perspective, is that it's all true.

And as crazy it sounds there may also be a mystical component to reality that conventional science cannot (currently) explain.

The topic is vast and deep and may have profound implications about humanity and the universe. But like many, we can only speculate until more hard data is released and further research into this "phenomenon" is conducted.

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