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US urged to reveal UFO evidence after claim that it has intact alien vehicles

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Re: US urged to reveal UFO evidence after claim that it has intact alien vehicles

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Post by ranting-moth »

hellweaver666 wrote: post #800
zoogeny wrote: post #166

I saw an interview with this guy just yesterday. He didn't see anything himself. His claim is that some people, and he believes them to be trustworthy, confided in him and showed him some documents. So, at best his testimony is hearsay. All of this stuff reeks of some kind of psyop. My belief is that for some reason, the US government used psychology tests to identify a select few people who naturally "want to believ…

Your comment reads like psyops... trying to discredit the leakers.

I agree with you both!

Re: US urged to reveal UFO evidence after claim that it has intact alien vehicles

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Post by z7 »

Another episode of 'people who sit in a box and stare at a screen all day tell us that the military pilots, air traffic controllers and government workers are mentally ill or lying because something they say challanges the customery view of what constitutes reality outside the box with the screen'.

Re: US urged to reveal UFO evidence after claim that it has intact alien vehicles

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Post by shrimpx »

boringuser2 wrote: post #120
bsaul wrote: post #112

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What would those logical inferences be ? I’m not sure i got your point right

I'm willing to put aside literally every mechanical interpretation of probability here, ignoring really poignant questions, in favor of one overarching question: Do you really, really think a species capable of interstellar travel would have vehicles or crafts that we could recognize as such? That feels more like a technology 100-200 years ahead of us, akin to science fiction, than the reality of a species hundreds o…

And after they fly across the universe for millions of light years, they immediately crash for Uncle Sam to retrieve them. Or no, actually Uncle Sam immediately shoots them down with his pew pew rockets that travel at infinitesimally low speeds.

Re: US urged to reveal UFO evidence after claim that it has intact alien vehicles

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Post by rurban »

zoogeny wrote: post #166

I saw an interview with this guy just yesterday. He didn't see anything himself. His claim is that some people, and he believes them to be trustworthy, confided in him and showed him some documents. So, at best his testimony is hearsay. All of this stuff reeks of some kind of psyop. My belief is that for some reason, the US government used psychology tests to identify a select few people who naturally "want to believ…

Exactly my thoughts also.

Re: US urged to reveal UFO evidence after claim that it has intact alien vehicles

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Post by qwerty456127 »

zoogeny wrote: post #166

I saw an interview with this guy just yesterday. He didn't see anything himself. His claim is that some people, and he believes them to be trustworthy, confided in him and showed him some documents. So, at best his testimony is hearsay. All of this stuff reeks of some kind of psyop. My belief is that for some reason, the US government used psychology tests to identify a select few people who naturally "want to believ…

Nice point. But why is it even considered probably fake immediately when people speak about probable extraterrestrial intelligence encounters? Isn't this a cognitive bias? I would have little doubt in possiblity of advanced extraterrestrial life if not the hype - the universe is so vast and ancient, the idea Earth and humans are so unique seems much more incredible.

Re: US urged to reveal UFO evidence after claim that it has intact alien vehicles

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Post by notahacker »

stouset wrote: post #429
King-Aaron wrote: post #396

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Perhaps people simply aren't prepared to accept the implications of the government lying about this - as well as successfully covering it up - for so long. It's a big impact to a persons world view.

Perhaps people are tired of the same story playing out every few years. Someone got told by somebody else there’s a massive coverup and they definitely have the documents but they’re withholding them for reasons and no we can’t see them but we should absolutely take this story at face value because they have or had a career in the military so are a Very Reliable Person we should take very seriously. We’re on like sea…

The most boring thing about the alien versions of the story for non Americans is its always the US military the aliens are buzzing.

Perhaps the aliens are really diligent about avoiding leaving any artefacts behind in the sort of state where some mid ranking official would happily sell the evidence for the price of a new Mercedes or the military would turn up three weeks after international journalists, or the sort of state whose closely-guarded treasure chest full of alien artefacts would have been burst wide open when the government was overthrown.

Re: US urged to reveal UFO evidence after claim that it has intact alien vehicles

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Post by repler »

hermitcrab wrote: post #164
thekevan wrote: post #51

Am I missing something or is the only thing that makes this different than so many other "insider" claims is that this guy has a career history that implies he isn't just another crackpot spewing theories? It reads just like so many claims like we have heard in the past, but this time people think the guy is more reliable. It is pretty funny that the one of the people often quoted who backs up Grusch's claims is Jona…

Which is more likely? a) An alien civilization has overcome the massive problems of interstellar travel and is visiting us right now. or b) The people making these claims are wrong. While a) isn't impossible, b) seems so much more likely. Also if they have the technology to cross interstellar space, surely they have the technology not to be detected by us?

there could be life in our solar system or at the bottom of our own oceans

Re: US urged to reveal UFO evidence after claim that it has intact alien vehicles

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Post by mFixman »

jes5199 wrote: post #792
mFixman wrote: post #761

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The possible shapes of life are much bigger than the universe. The chances of intelligent life existing outside Earth are lower than the chance of that same intelligent life speaking flawless Swedish. We might as well send some Europop records to space as signals to aliens. "Intelligence" is a human invention created by humans to describe humanity. It only applies to humans and human-like beings.

my money is on convergent evolution. trees and crabs and birds on every planet. not sure about primates though

Trees and crabs and birds appeared very recently in the timeline of life on Earth and will probably get extinct eons before shrimp or tardigrades know what happened.

Life is likely plentiful in the Universe. Earth-like life is almost certainly unique.

Re: US urged to reveal UFO evidence after claim that it has intact alien vehicles

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Post by notahacker »

GolfPopper wrote: post #601
bragr wrote: post #208

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Why does it have to be a conspiracy? Some small but significant portion of the population is mentally ill, and it seems likely a few would hear a joke ("we keep the alien space ships through that door, I'd show you but I'd have to kill you"), take it way too literally, and it becomes the focus of their mental illness. That seems not only possible but probable given the size the military industrial complex.

Don't neglect the people who are not mentally ill, but still can't tell the difference between "Yeah, we've got a lot of data on UFOs (stuff we couldn't accurately ID for a variety of reasons) that's classified (because some of it legitimately need to be secret, and we over-classify a lot)" with ""Yeah, we've got a lot of data on UFOs (little green men in flying saucers) that's classified (because we're part of a con…

And the people who are not mentally ill who think that being an authority on the US's UFO programmes is a nice retirement gig that comes with none of the downsides of actual whistleblowing...

Re: US urged to reveal UFO evidence after claim that it has intact alien vehicles

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Post by neom »

Isn't the whistle blower stuff considerably less interesting than this:

But some insiders are now willing to take the risk of coming forward for the first time with knowledge of these recovery programs.

Jonathan Grey is a generational officer of the United States Intelligence Community with a Top-Secret Clearance who currently works for the National Air and Space Intelligence Center (NASIC), where the analysis of UAP has been his focus. Previously he had experience serving Private Aerospace and Department of Defense Special Directive Task Forces.

“The non-human intelligence phenomenon is real. We are not alone,” Grey said. “Retrievals of this kind are not limited to the United States. This is a global phenomenon, and yet a global solution continues to elude us.”

huh? This is a current NASIC officer saying “The non-human intelligence phenomenon is real. We are not alone,” - isn't that in itself extremely weird/surprising?

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