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US urged to reveal UFO evidence after claim that it has intact alien vehicles

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Re: US urged to reveal UFO evidence after claim that it has intact alien vehicles

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Post by shrimpx »

gwd wrote: post #754
shrimpx wrote: post #701

Earlier quoted context omitted.

A psyop doesn’t have to be a super advanced operation. It could be some low effort opportunistic thing that helps objectives. The “declassified” UAP videos so far are rote footage containing easily debunked garbage. Why would the military release lens flare videos and claim they’re UAP? They could be blithering idiots not knowing they’re looking at lens flare, which is probably less likely than knowing it’s BS and cl…

> The “declassified” UAP videos so far are rote footage containing easily debunked garbage. Why would the military release lens flare videos and claim they’re UAP? They could be blithering idiots not knowing they’re looking at lens flare, which is probably less likely than knowing it’s BS and claiming it’s UAP with some ulterior motive. So, psyop. A more mundane possibility: Someone thought, "Hey, you know, if there…

That makes sense, but it’s pretty insidious to release lens flare videos as UAP knowing they’re lens flare. Either they’re not actually analyzing these videos or they’re going pretty far into psyop land with this mundane operation.

Re: US urged to reveal UFO evidence after claim that it has intact alien vehicles

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Post by tsimionescu »

ufmace wrote: post #627
zoogeny wrote: post #332

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> Why does it have to be a conspiracy? Some of his claims, if you believe them, point towards coordinated activities. For example, he claims that an intelligence official, who he had known and worked with for a long time and who he trusted, pulled him aside and confided in him about this project. This intelligence official mentioned a particular project name. He then claims that later a totally different intelligence…

A1: Man, that Jekins is so gullible, he'll believe anything. Wanna help wind him up some for the lols? A2: Lol yeah, you're right. I'm in, that sounds like fun. A1: Okay so I told him that we've got some alien spacecraft in the broom closet under a project named meatball. I'm pretty sure he believes me, but if you tell him the same thing, I bet he'll really go nuts! A2: Ahahaha awesome. Okay I'll take him aside next…

That's still a conspiracy to wind up Jenkins.

Re: US urged to reveal UFO evidence after claim that it has intact alien vehicles

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Post by lavametender »

sholladay wrote: post #612

I had an encounter with a UAP while I was with some friends in a park. We all saw the same thing. It was so black that its darkness was the only reason we noticed it against the night sky. It loomed over us, maybe 100 feet above the ground, and followed us when we walked away from it. It stayed for about 10 minutes and then flew away. It never made a sound, I never saw any lights, never felt any heat, but it was able…

make drone of it

Re: US urged to reveal UFO evidence after claim that it has intact alien vehicles

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Post by andyjohnson0 »

dieselgate wrote: post #358
tialaramex wrote: post #348

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Also people who don't understand what is or is not possible easily get confused about what is impossible / difficult versus possible / easy. My guess is that a substantial fraction of otherwise competent American adults don't realise VTOL jet aircraft are a thing we can and have built for example, and that if one of them saw a prototype like the Flying Bedstead (Rolls Royce experimental platform, which doesn't look a…

I say this from an angle of religious tolerance but some people actually “believe in angels” etc, people will believe whatever they want

> people will believe whatever they want

Yes. I was discussing something related to this with one of my young-adult children and I said something along the lines of "Some people don't actually like abstract or self-reflective thought. They prefer to just believe what they want to, or what's comforting to them, and not to think about it." I believe it hadn't really occurred to them so starkly before, and I felt kind of bad for that.

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Post by SideburnsOfDoom »

tsimionescu wrote: post #782
ufmace wrote: post #627

Earlier quoted context omitted.

A1: Man, that Jekins is so gullible, he'll believe anything. Wanna help wind him up some for the lols? A2: Lol yeah, you're right. I'm in, that sounds like fun. A1: Okay so I told him that we've got some alien spacecraft in the broom closet under a project named meatball. I'm pretty sure he believes me, but if you tell him the same thing, I bet he'll really go nuts! A2: Ahahaha awesome. Okay I'll take him aside next…

That's still a conspiracy to wind up Jenkins.

It's the "rogue psy-op" form of conspiracy.

Re: US urged to reveal UFO evidence after claim that it has intact alien vehicles

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Post by thatjoeoverthr »

tikwidd wrote: post #220

We now know that exoplanets and the conditions for life abound in the universe. Where the conditions for life abound, the null hypothesis ought to be that life abounds. In discussions of alien life and intelligence, we are often biased by earlier states of knowledge about the universe and our position in it. When we first started digging up dinosaur bones, we came up with fantastical notions of creatures to explain t…

Regarding oceans, I want to add that the overwhelming majority of our land is in the northern hemisphere. Add the speed of light time lag, and anyone starting with a southern perspective will see a water-world with no technosignature whatsoever.

If one were to send a probe, one could wisely plan on purpose to land it in the ocean, deploy submersibles with flight technology and have them just go around and lay low.

They would hide, lay low and their aerodynamic performance might simply be their idea of a modest, basic platform. They would otherwise be wholly unprepared to make contact or perform in air to air combat.

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Post by shrimpx »

sesteel wrote: post #710
shrimpx wrote: post #704

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Psyop doesn’t imply competence or a complex operation. Although I believe the US military is competent, unlike congress.

Why do you believe that? Having been in and worked around it, its success is a function of money and will. I would not call it competent, but that is a personal opinion having worked in competent effective organizations in the commercial sector.

I guess I believe they’re competent enough to have figured out a video of lens flare is of lens flare and not of alien craft. Though I was on the fence. They could be incompetent or too lost in bureaucratic clusterfuck to even look at these videos. But there are other factors indicating they are probably engaging in psyop.

Re: US urged to reveal UFO evidence after claim that it has intact alien vehicles

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Post by Tepix »

beefman wrote: post #96

Aliens have never crashed here. Aliens have never even visited our solar system. The truth is more interesting: the galaxy is emptier than it should be.

That would be depressing. Now if it were less empty than average, that would be more interesting.

Re: US urged to reveal UFO evidence after claim that it has intact alien vehicles

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Post by Tepix »

ftio wrote: post #525

Can someone explain to me how a species that can do one of the following can also do something as mundane as…crash? 1. Travel faster than light 2. Sustain a peaceful, productive, spacefaring civilization over millions of years to travel here 3. Create AI that can do 1 or 2 Am I missing something here? How can both of these facts be plausibly true? These are genuine questions, not snark.

It could be one of many cheap probes sent by something like the Breakthrough Starshot.

Re: US urged to reveal UFO evidence after claim that it has intact alien vehicles

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Post by mnky9800n »

gitfan86 wrote: post #513
dieselgate wrote: post #358

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I say this from an angle of religious tolerance but some people actually “believe in angels” etc, people will believe whatever they want

Angels, ghosts, UFOs, miracles all have the same characteristics. A person who seems very reasonable says they are sure that saw the thing, and they provide SOME circumstantial or grainy photographic evidence, but no one actually got a full resolution picture of the angel or ghost or UFO. I doubt these people are lying. They actually saw something. Miracles are the easiest example to explain. Someone couldn't walk an…

UFO sightings are much less interesting then abductions. Sightings require almost no effort and ultimately can be explained away. But people who claim to be abducted basically are giving up the assumption they will ever be taken seriously again. So why tell others? Are there some subset of abductees who were actually taken? We certainly do the same to other animals so there's no reason why it wouldn't be done to us.
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